Connecting UMI-7774 to KEB Motor Drive. file attached

Hi,
I'm having problems to connect my Servo motor: KEB, With Combivert F5 Motor Drive.
I have the manual and all the pin assigment for this motor drive but i cant run my servo from MAX.
I'm using : LabView 8 + Max 8
NI Motion and Motion Assistant 1.3
I attach one pdf file with 2 pages, the pin assigment of my KEB Motor Drive (Model: Combivert F5)
This URL for the Model from KEB Website : http://www.keb.de/common/catalogues/C_vert_F5/0000000-91F5-07-03.pdf
the other page in my attached file is the umi 7774 AXIS 1 pin assigment.
I will appriciate any help if someone can help me and describe to me how i should
connect my umi 7774 FeedBack & Control pins to the pins of my KEB-CombivertF5 Motor Drive.
Thanks in advanced.
Mor
Attachments:
Umi7774_3rdPartyMotorDrive.pdf ‏228 KB

Mor,
Ok. I had to download the manual for your device, but I think I can help you out.
1. Do you have the 9 pin D-Sub connector that provides the Auxilary Incremental Encoder, or do you have the 15 pin D-Sub connector for the sinusoidal commutation, or do you have both? I would recommend the Auxilary Incremental Encoder if possible. I need to know which one you have in order to help you completely setup your system.
2. You need to connect pin 3 of the drive to pin 1 of the Axis 1 Control connector on the UMI.
3. You need to connect pin 4 of the drive to pin 9 of the Axis 1 Control connector on the UMI.
4. You need to connect pin 4 of the drive to pin 8 of the drive.
5. You will need to change the settings on the drive so that it know you are in Torque mode instead of velocity mode (CP.10).
6. Depending on what you are going to use for feedback (Auxilary Incremental Encoder/Sinusoidal Commutation) you will need to hook the proper D-Sub connecter to the UMI, the instructions on how to do this can be found in the 735x user manual, which can be found through the link below...
http://www.ni.com/pdf/manuals/371060a.pdf
NOTE: I recommend you use the Auxilary Incremental Encoder if possible, it is easier to use and setup. If you do not have both the Auzilary Incremental Encoder and the Sinusoidal Commutation, then you will need to purchase it for your drive. Attached is an excerpt from the manual showing what I am talking about.
I hope this helps,
Lorne Hengst
Application Engineer
National Instruments
Attachments:
feedback.zip ‏20 KB

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* i post this message in the Motion Control and Motor Drives board but i cant see any activity on that board, i'll apriciate any help from you here *
I'm having problems to connect my Servo motor: KEB, With Combivert F5 Motor Drive.
I have the manual and all the pin assigment for this motor drive but i cant run my servo from MAX.
I'm using : LabView 8 + Max 8
NI Motion and Motion Assistant 1.3
I attach one pdf file with 2 pages, the pin assigment of my KEB Motor Drive (Model: Combivert F5)
This URL for the Model from KEB Website : http://www.keb.de/common/catalogues/C_vert_F5/0000000-91F5-07-03.pdf
the other page in my attached file is the umi 7774 AXIS 1 pin assigment.
I will appriciate any help if someone can help me and describe to me how i should
connect my umi 7774 FeedBack & Control pins to the pins of my KEB-CombivertF5 Motor Drive.
Thanks in advance.
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Attachments:
Umi7774_3rdPartyMotorDrive2.pdf ‏228 KB

Mor,
I have replied to your posting in the Motion forum, which can be found through the link below...
http://forums.ni.com/ni/board/message?board.id=240&message.id=3325
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Yes, you will need to purchase and use our Universal Motion Interface (UMI) 7774 board in order to connect the three drives/motors to the motion controller card.
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Dear Nate,
Thank you for repling to my posts, i really appreciate that.
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