Consumption with CDP by using planning product

Hi all
I use product A, with planning product B mainteined in MRP3 and transfered to APO as hiearchy PLANNING PRODUCT. The consumption works in APO if I do not use descriptive characteristics (material, plant, customer).
If I use descriptive characteristics consumption do not work. I mean, problem is here:
Each consumption group has mandatory characteristics 9AMATNR and 9ALOCNO. The characteristics 9AMATNR for real product and planning product is not the same and teherefore the consumption do not work.
Do you have any experience or idea? Is it possible ti use CDP forecasting consumption with planning material scenario?
Thanks
Pavel

Hi Stefanos,
What you are doing is absolutely right.. However, I want to ask a few question..
1. Are the characterestic values included in the filter ? ie. If you want to change for Country: UK, is UK present in filter?
2. Are there any other characteristics that you have not included in the function and are getting changed by chance ? Like you might need to include 0fiscyer in To Change if you are assigning 0Fiscper.
3. Write a small FOX function with hardcoded values to check if the system is accepting the values or not..
It should work.. Please write back in case you need more help..
Regards, Rishi

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Thanks for the reply..
Yes, as you rightly mentioned..It is not very simple...Utility production is bit complicated than normally believed by majority.
But for captive production of power & water, we had used PP/CO-PC successfully for may be more than 12 years(in tatas)..
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ear All,
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