Continually having to Render

I am working on a project with multiclips, 5 camera shoot, stereo audio. All the clips in the multiclip/sequence (and the entire project for that matter) are of the same frame size (1920x1080), all same video rate (29.97). All clips are Apple ProRes 422. Quicktime Video in Sequence Settings is set to that too.
Everything I thought to check looks like it's all set correctly, and every clip is the same. But when I hit play, it starts to stutter after a few seconds. I realized that the whole timeline needs Rendering (green line across the top). After I Render, if I choose a different angle from the multiclip, it also needs to render, and then if I go back to the clip I just finished rendering - it needs to be Rendered again!
Can someone please help me figure out what this issue is. I've tried several things to try to get it straight, but am at a loss here.
Thanks in advance.

Apple Pro Res 422 HQ is a 22MBp/s format so you have to times that by five which equates to 110MBp/s that your drive needs to supply to your editing system.
The bright Green on your timeline is FCP's way of telling you that 'I may drop frames trying to do this but I'll give it my best shot' rather than the orange ' you can try and play me but I'm warning you I ain't happy about doing all of this without rendering'.
I doubt a two x drive internal RAID will do it if you don't have a RAID card installed in the computer (would have to be a Mac Pro)
A good tool is AJA's system test tool that comes with their KONA software and hardware. You can set this to do a diskwhack test on your hardrives and see what speeds you'll get off of them.
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James
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