Continuing problems with Matrox and Premier Pro CS5.5 Mac

What is wrong with Adobe and Matrox? Can't they get it together! Ever since switching from Final Cut Pro 7 to Premier Pro 5 and then 5.5 I have been having problems playing back footage from Premier through the Matrox Mini X02 box and then HDMI into a Sony HD monitor. No matter what I do with installs and re installs, the problem persists. The problem is that the Matrox software/hardware seems incapable of providing one simple little thing...playing back my Premier CS 5.5  1920 timeline into my Sony TV. The sound stutters and stops, the playback freezes and Premier won't start again until I reboot my Mac. Sometimes I have to repair disk permissions to get Premier to work again.  My hardware should be adequate. I have a MacPro 3.1 2 x 3 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon running in 64 bit mode under OS X 10.6.8, with 20 GB of RAM and a NVidia Quadpro FX4800 video card. I am running a Raid drive for the video.
Now I know that Adobe is trying to get as many FCP users as it can so I am wondering if there are other Mac users on this forum who have swtiched and who are having the same problems? I have read the reports on the Matrox forum and there seems to be a real saga over the Mini Max 02 and its software. There have been countless software revisions!
Should I abandon Matrox and go for a Black Magic card. I understand the Black Magic Pro card only does 1920 interlaced. I want a card that will be able to transfer anything Premier can display on its timeline and put it on my Sony Bravada. So that means progressive as sell as interlaced.

Hi all, matrox came good with a monitoring solution for premiere pro which now works perfectly. Not tried it with a deck connected but at least I can see what I am doing...
Here it is:
Please check the following procedure. You can just do steps 5 to 13 at first. If it does not work then redo all steps. Let me know if it helps.
1.    Uninstall the Matrox driver using the Matrox Uninstaller. The system will restart.
2.    After the MAC has restarted, go to yourusername->library->application support->adobe->Premiere Pro->5.5 and delete the 'Adobe Premiere Pro Prefs' file  or use the ‘Preference Manager’ application: http://www.digitalrebellion.com/prefman/
3.    Restart MAC
4.    Re-download and re-install the Matrox driver software
5.    Go to System Preferences -> Sound -> Output
6.    Change the default device to anything other than Matrox
7.    Open a new project and select a Matrox sequence preset.
8.    Open the Premiere Preferences menu.
9.    Click on ‘Audio Hardware’ and set the default device to anything other than Matrox
10.   Click on ‘Audio Output Mapping’ and set the ‘Map Output’ to anything other than Matrox
11.   Close Premiere and re-open (only if you made any changes)
12.   Open a new project and select a Matrox sequence preset.
13.   Select a Matrox sequence, load a video clip, test playback.
Note: In Premiere, if you are working in a Matrox sequence and want to also output the Source window content through the MXO2, then you can do so by opening Premiere Preferences -> Player Settings -> and setting the value to 'Matrox Player'. Your source window video and audio will now be output through the MXO2.
Note: Audio output through the system sound card is not supported when working in a Matrox sequence.

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       Nov 30 21:32:39 PM notification timeout (pid 99018, CEPHtmlEngine)
       Nov 30 21:32:39 PM notification timeout (pid 99019, CEPHtmlEngine He)
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       Dec  1 09:52:03 PM notification timeout (pid 266, Creative Cloud)
       Dec  1 09:52:03 PM notification timeout (pid 346, Adobe CEF Helper)
       Dec  1 09:52:03 PM notification timeout (pid 345, Adobe CEF Helper)
       Dec  1 10:04:37 process WindowServer[114] caught causing excessive wakeups. Observed wakeups rate (per sec): 170; Maximum permitted wakeups rate (per sec): 150; Observation period: 300 seconds; Task lifetime number of wakeups: 12755007
       Dec  1 10:31:08 ALF: ifnet_get_address_list_family error 12
       Dec  1 10:59:17 process Meeting Center[2921] caught causing excessive wakeups. Observed wakeups rate (per sec): 647; Maximum permitted wakeups rate (per sec): 150; Observation period: 300 seconds; Task lifetime number of wakeups: 45104
       Dec  1 12:24:35 process com.apple.WebKit[4567] caught causing excessive wakeups. Observed wakeups rate (per sec): 297; Maximum permitted wakeups rate (per sec): 150; Observation period: 300 seconds; Task lifetime number of wakeups: 76962
       Dec  1 14:31:01 process com.apple.WebKit[7400] caught causing excessive wakeups. Observed wakeups rate (per sec): 397; Maximum permitted wakeups rate (per sec): 150; Observation period: 300 seconds; Task lifetime number of wakeups: 53188
       Dec  1 14:43:52 process com.apple.WebKit[7400] caught causing excessive wakeups. Observed wakeups rate (per sec): 224; Maximum permitted wakeups rate (per sec): 150; Observation period: 300 seconds; Task lifetime number of wakeups: 150084
       Dec  1 14:47:34 process com.apple.WebKit[7400] caught causing excessive wakeups. Observed wakeups rate (per sec): 332; Maximum permitted wakeups rate (per sec): 150; Observation period: 300 seconds; Task lifetime number of wakeups: 222103
       Dec  1 15:03:29 process com.apple.WebKit[7400] caught causing excessive wakeups. Observed wakeups rate (per sec): 214; Maximum permitted wakeups rate (per sec): 150; Observation period: 300 seconds; Task lifetime number of wakeups: 370572
       Dec  1 16:38:03 SIOCPROTODETACH_IN6: utun2 error=6
       Dec  1 16:38:08 SIOCPROTODETACH_IN6: utun2 error=6
       Dec  1 20:08:30 jnl: disk3s2: replay_journal: from: 112328704 to: 113115136 (joffset 0x3a38000)
       Dec  1 20:08:30 jnl: disk3s2: journal replay done.
       Dec  1 20:27:11 com.adobe.acc.AdobeCreativeCloud.75292.UUID: Service exited with abnormal code: 5
       Dec  2 08:23:00 process com.apple.WebKit[11891] caught causing excessive wakeups. Observed wakeups rate (per sec): 161; Maximum permitted wakeups rate (per sec): 150; Observation period: 300 seconds; Task lifetime number of wakeups: 527508
       Dec  2 09:29:37 firefox (map: 0xffffff80317c5960) triggered DYLD shared region unnest for map: 0xffffff80317c5960, region 0x7fff9ae00000->0x7fff9b000000. While not abnormal for debuggers, this increases system memory footprint until the target exits.
       Dec  2 10:04:39 SIOCPROTODETACH_IN6: utun2 error=6
       Dec  2 10:04:44 SIOCPROTODETACH_IN6: utun2 error=6
       Dec  2 16:42:24 process com.apple.WebKit[26151] caught causing excessive wakeups. Observed wakeups rate (per sec): 153; Maximum permitted wakeups rate (per sec): 150; Observation period: 300 seconds; Task lifetime number of wakeups: 45002
    Swap (MiB): 41556
    Activity
       Net: 210 in, 20 out (KiB/s)
    Memory: kernel_task (UID 0) is using 1632 MB
    kexts
       com.cisco.kext.acsock (1.1.0)
       com.wdc.driver.USB.64.10.9 (1.0.1)
    Daemons
       com.cisco.anyconnect.vpnagentd
       com.oracle.java.JavaUpdateHelper
       com.apple.installer.osmessagetracing
       com.microsoft.office.licensing.helper
       com.google.keystone.daemon
       com.wdc.WDSmartWareService
       com.oracle.java.Helper-Tool
       com.adobe.fpsaud
       com.wdc.SmartwareDriveService
    Agents
       com.adobe.AdobeCreativeCloud
       com.zimbra.desktop
       com.citrix.ServiceRecords
       com.google.keystone.system.agent
       com.apple.photostream-agent
       com.genieo.completer.download
       com.genieo.completer.update
       com.cisco.anyconnect.gui
       com.citrix.ReceiverHelper
       com.citrix.AuthManager_Mac
       com.citrix.FMDAgent.14800.UUID
       com.oracle.java.Java-Updater
       com.fiplab.MailTabProHelper
       com.adobe.PDApp.AAMUpdatesNotifier.74724.UUID
       com.citrixonline.GoToMeeting.G2MUpdate
       com.apple.AirPortBaseStationAgent
       com.microsoft.SyncServicesAgent
    Startup items
       /System/Library/StartupItems/ciscod/ciscod
       /System/Library/StartupItems/ciscod/StartupParameters.plist
    Bundles
       /System/Library/Extensions/hp_fax_io.kext
       - com.hp.kext.hp-fax-io
       /System/Library/Extensions/hp_Inkjet1_io_enabler.kext
       - com.hp.print.hpio.Inkjet1.kext
       /System/Library/Extensions/hp_Inkjet4_io_enabler.kext
       - com.hp.print.hpio.Inkjet4.kext
       /System/Library/Extensions/hp_Inkjet8_io_enabler.kext
       - com.hp.print.hpio.inkjet8.kext
       /System/Library/Extensions/JMicronATA.kext
       - com.jmicron.JMicronATA
       /System/Library/Extensions/WD1394_64_109HPDriver.kext
       - com.wdc.driver.1394.64.10.9
       /System/Library/Extensions/WDUSB_64_109HPDriver.kext
       - com.wdc.driver.USB.64.10.9
       /Library/Extensions/hp_io_printerclassdriver_enabler.kext
       - com.hp.hpio.hp-io-printerclassdriver-enabler
       /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/AdobeAAMDetect.plugin
       - com.AdobeAAMDetectLib.AdobeAAMDetect
       /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/CitrixICAClientPlugIn.plugin
       - com.citrix.citrixicaclientplugIn
       /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/Flash Player.plugin
       - N/A
       /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/googletalkbrowserplugin.plugin
       - com.google.googletalkbrowserplugin
       /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/JavaAppletPlugin.plugin
       - com.oracle.java.JavaAppletPlugin
       /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/npg.plugin
       - npg.graphon.com
       /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/o1dbrowserplugin.plugin
       - com.google.o1dbrowserplugin
       /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/SharePointBrowserPlugin.plugin
       - com.microsoft.sharepoint.browserplugin
       /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/SharePointWebKitPlugin.webplugin
       - com.microsoft.sharepoint.webkitplugin
       /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/Silverlight.plugin
       - com.microsoft.SilverlightPlugin
       /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/SlingPlayer.plugin
       - com.slingmedia.slingplayer.plugin.nspapi
       /Library/PreferencePanes/Flash Player.prefPane
       - com.adobe.flashplayerpreferences
       /Library/PreferencePanes/FMDSysPrefPane.prefPane
       - Citrix.FMDSysPrefPane
       /Library/PreferencePanes/JavaControlPanel.prefPane
       - com.oracle.java.JavaControlPanel
       /Library/PreferencePanes/WDQuickViewPrefsPane.prefPane
       - com.westerndigital.quickview.prefpanel
       /Library/PreferencePanes/Zimbra.prefPane
       - com.zimbra.prefpanel
       /Library/ScriptingAdditions/Adobe Unit Types.osax
       - N/A
       Library/Address Book Plug-Ins/SkypeABDialer.bundle
       - com.skype.skypeabdialer
       Library/Address Book Plug-Ins/SkypeABSMS.bundle
       - com.skype.skypeabsms
       Library/Internet Plug-Ins/CitrixOnlineWebDeploymentPlugin.plugin
       - com.citrixonline.mac.WebDeploymentPlugin
       Library/Internet Plug-Ins/Google Earth Web Plug-in.plugin
       - com.Google.GoogleEarthPlugin.plugin
       Library/Internet Plug-Ins/WebEx.plugin
       - com.webex.WebEx
       Library/Internet Plug-Ins/WebEx.plugin/Contents/Resources
       - com.webex.WebEx
       Library/Internet Plug-Ins/WebEx64.plugin
       - com.cisco_webex.plugin.gpc64
    dylibs
       /usr/lib/libaudioc.dylib
       /usr/lib/libclipc.dylib
       /usr/lib/libcs.dylib
       /usr/lib/libdc.dylib
       /usr/lib/libfilec.dylib
       /usr/lib/libMonoPosixHelper.dylib
       /usr/lib/libpbr.dylib
       /usr/lib/libprintc.dylib
       /usr/lib/libsc.dylib
       /usr/lib/libSFFileMonitor.32.dylib
       /usr/lib/libSFIPC.32.dylib
       /usr/lib/libSFIPC.I.dylib
       /usr/lib/libSFsqlite3.7.4.dylib
       /usr/lib/libSFSyncEngine.I.dylib
       /usr/lib/libupc.dylib
    App extensions
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       it.bloop.airmail.beta10.Airmail-Composer-Beta
       com.wunderkinder.wunderlistdesktop.sharingextension
       com.wunderkinder.wunderlistdesktop.todayextension
       com.readitlater.PocketMac.AddToPocketShareExtension
       com.stylemac.instadesk.Photodesk-Feed
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    Apps
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    Contents of /Library/LaunchAgents/com.citrix.ReceiverHelper.plist (checksum 676087606)
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       <plist version="1.0">
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    Contents of /Library/LaunchAgents/com.citrix.ServiceRecords.plist (checksum 1445213025)
       <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
       <!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
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        <dict>
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        <key>KeepAlive</key>
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        <key>WaitForDebugger</key>
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    Contents of /Library/LaunchAgents/com.oracle.java.Java-Updater.plist (checksum 3453356730)
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       <plist version="1.0">
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        <key>StartCalendarInterval</key>
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        <key>Minute</key>
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    Contents of /Library/LaunchDaemons/com.cisco.anyconnect.vpnagentd.plist (checksum 2630047092)
       <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
       <!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC -//Apple Computer//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN
       http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd >
       <plist version="1.0">
       <dict>
            <key>Label</key>
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            <key>RunAtLoad</key>
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            <key>AbandonProcessGroup</key>
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    Contents of /Library/LaunchDaemons/com.wdc.SmartwareDriveService.plist (checksum 2733252498)
       <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
       <!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
       <plist version="1.0">
       <dict>
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        <key>StandardErrorPath</key>
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    Contents of /Library/LaunchDaemons/com.wdc.WDSmartWareService.plist (checksum 1153517838)
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       <!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
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    Contents of Library/LaunchAgents/com.genieo.completer.download.plist (checksum 1894818845)
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        <string>-isDev</string>
        <string>0</string>
        <string>-installVersion</string>
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        <key>WatchPaths</key>
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        </array>
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    Contents of Library/LaunchAgents/com.genieo.completer.update.plist (checksum 2339121592)
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       <!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
       <plist version="1.0">
       <dict>
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        <string>com.genieo.completer.update</string>
        <key>ProgramArguments</key>
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        <string>-installVersion</string>
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        <key>StartInterval</key>
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       </plist>
    Contents of Library/LaunchAgents/com.microsoft.LaunchAgent.SyncServicesAgent.plist (checksum 3051698494)
       <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
       <!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
       <plist version="1.0">
       <dict>
        <key>KeepAlive</key>
        <false/>
        <key>Label</key>
        <string>com.microsoft.SyncServicesAgent</string>
        <key>OnDemand</key>
        <false/>
        <key>ProgramArguments</key>
        <array>
        <string>/Applications/Microsoft Office 2011/Office/SyncServicesAgent.app/Contents/MacOS/SyncServicesAgent</string>
        </array>
       </dict>
       </plist>
    Contents of Library/LaunchAgents/com.zimbra.desktop.plist (checksum 3676173668)
       <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
       <!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple Computer//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
       <plist version="1.0">
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               <array>
                       <string>/Users/USER/Library/Zimbra Desktop/bin/zdesktop</string>
                       <string>start</string>
                       <string>-w</string>
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