Conversational web services - stateful session bean in WLS9/10?

hello,
are conv web services compiled into stateful sb still?
thanks,
B.

so the conv state is in a http session, that will be replicated when running in a cluster?
thanks for this helpful information,
B.

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    We can use HttpSession to maintain the conversational state with the client.
    Then why we need to go for stateful session beans to maintain conversational state with the client.
    What are advantages we can have while using stateful session beans ratherthan HttpSession????.
    Regards
    Dhinesh kumar R

    I think we can use the magic word in the software development "seperation of concerns" ;-)
    HttpSession is in the Servlet/JSP tier and is mainly used in the presentation logic tier (UI, page flows, navigation etc..)
    where the stateful session bean's concern is to maintain a conversational state in a business logic tier.
    Through this seperation its possible, that the business tier's state is undependant from the HttpSession and you dont create a hardlink that could cause problems later. Imagine having a desktop client accessing your business logic etc. not every client needs to be a web client ;-)
    I hope that the answer helps you understanding the topic :-)
    Brgds,
    Nail

  • Accessing the same stateful session bean from multiple clients in a clustered environment

    I am trying to access the same stateful session bean from multiple
              clients. I also want this bean to have failover support so we want to
              deploy it in a cluster. The following description is how we have tried
              to solve this problem, but it does not seem to be working. Any
              insight would be greatly appreciated!
              I have set up a cluster of three servers. I deployed a stateful
              session bean with in memory replication across the cluster. A client
              obtains a reference to an instance of one of these beans to handle a
              request. Subsequent requests will have to use the same bean and could
              come from various clients. So after using the bean the first client
              stores the handle to the bean (actually the replica aware stub) to be
              used by other clients to be able to obtain the bean. When another
              client retrieves the handle gets the replica aware stub and makes a
              call to the bean the request seems to unpredictably go to any of the
              three servers rather than the primary server hosting that bean. If the
              call goes to the primary server everything seems to work fine the
              session data is available and it gets backed up on the secondary
              server. If it happens to go to the secondary server a bean that has
              the correct session data services the request but gives the error
              <Failed to update the secondary copy of a stateful session bean from
              home:ejb20-statefulSession-TraderHome>. Then any subsequent requests
              to the primary server will not reflect changes made on the secondary
              and vice versa. If the request happens to go to the third server that
              is not hosting an instance of that bean then the client receives an
              error that the bean was not available. From my understanding I thought
              the replica aware stub would know which server is the primary host for
              that bean and send the request there.
              Thanks in advance,
              Justin
              

              If 'allow-concurrent-call' does exactly what you need, then you don't have a problem,
              do you?
              Except of course if you switch ejb containers. Oh well.
              Mike
              "FBenvadi" <[email protected]> wrote:
              >I've got the same problem.
              >I understand from you that concurrent access to a stateful session bean
              >is
              >not allowed but there is a
              >token is weblogic-ejb-jar.xml that is called 'allow-concurrent-call'
              >that
              >does exactly what I need.
              >What you mean 'you'll get a surprise when you go to production' ?
              >I need to understand becouse I can still change the design.
              >Thanks Francesco
              >[email protected]
              >
              >"Mike Reiche" <[email protected]> wrote in message
              >news:[email protected]...
              >>
              >> Get the fix immediately from BEA and test it. It would be a shame to
              >wait
              >until
              >> December only to get a fix - that doesn't work.
              >>
              >> As for stateful session bean use - just remember that concurrent access
              >to
              >a stateful
              >> session bean is not allowed. Things will work fine until you go to
              >production
              >> and encounter some real load - then you will get a surprise.
              >>
              >> Mike
              >>
              >> [email protected] (Justin Meyer) wrote:
              >> >I just heard back from WebLogic Tech Support and they have confirmed
              >> >that this is a bug. Here is their reply:
              >> >
              >> >There is some problem in failover of stateful session beans when its
              >> >run from a java client.However, it is fixed now.
              >> >
              >> >The fix will be in SP2 which will be out by december.
              >> >
              >> >
              >> >Mike,
              >> >Thanks for your reply. I do infact believe we are correctly using
              >a
              >> >stateful session bean however it may have been misleading from my
              >> >description of the problem. We are not accessing the bean
              >> >concurrently from 2 different clients. The second client will only
              >> >come into play if the first client fails. In this case we want to
              >be
              >> >able to reacquire the handle to our stateful session bean and call
              >it
              >> >from the secondary client.
              >> >
              >> >
              >> >Justin
              >> >
              >> >"Mike Reiche" <[email protected]> wrote in message
              >news:<[email protected]>...
              >> >> You should be using an entity bean, not a stateful session bean
              >for
              >> >this application.
              >> >>
              >> >> A stateful session bean is intended to be keep state (stateful)
              >for
              >> >the duration
              >> >> of a client's session (session).
              >> >>
              >> >> It is not meant to be shared by different clients - in fact, if
              >you
              >> >attempt to
              >> >> access the same stateful session bean concurrently - it will throw
              >> >an exception.
              >> >>
              >> >> We did your little trick (storing/retrieving handle) with a stateful
              >> >session bean
              >> >> on WLS 5.1 - and it did work properly - not as you describe. Our
              >sfsb's
              >> >were not
              >> >> replicated as yours are.
              >> >>
              >> >> Mike
              >> >>
              >> >> [email protected] (Justin Meyer) wrote:
              >> >> >I am trying to access the same stateful session bean from multiple
              >> >> >clients. I also want this bean to have failover support so we want
              >> >to
              >> >> >deploy it in a cluster. The following description is how we have
              >tried
              >> >> >to solve this problem, but it does not seem to be working. Any
              >> >> >insight would be greatly appreciated!
              >> >> >
              >> >> >I have set up a cluster of three servers. I deployed a stateful
              >> >> >session bean with in memory replication across the cluster. A client
              >> >> >obtains a reference to an instance of one of these beans to handle
              >> >a
              >> >> >request. Subsequent requests will have to use the same bean and
              >could
              >> >> >come from various clients. So after using the bean the first client
              >> >> >stores the handle to the bean (actually the replica aware stub)
              >to
              >> >be
              >> >> >used by other clients to be able to obtain the bean. When another
              >> >> >client retrieves the handle gets the replica aware stub and makes
              >> >a
              >> >> >call to the bean the request seems to unpredictably go to any of
              >the
              >> >> >three servers rather than the primary server hosting that bean.
              >If
              >> >the
              >> >> >call goes to the primary server everything seems to work fine the
              >> >> >session data is available and it gets backed up on the secondary
              >> >> >server. If it happens to go to the secondary server a bean that
              >has
              >> >> >the correct session data services the request but gives the error
              >> >> ><Failed to update the secondary copy of a stateful session bean
              >from
              >> >> >home:ejb20-statefulSession-TraderHome>. Then any subsequent requests
              >> >> >to the primary server will not reflect changes made on the secondary
              >> >> >and vice versa. If the request happens to go to the third server
              >that
              >> >> >is not hosting an instance of that bean then the client receives
              >an
              >> >> >error that the bean was not available. From my understanding I
              >thought
              >> >> >the replica aware stub would know which server is the primary host
              >> >for
              >> >> >that bean and send the request there.
              >> >> >
              >> >> >Thanks in advance,
              >> >> >Justin
              >>
              >
              >
              

  • EJB 3.0 Stateful session bean shared between Servlet's

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    I have a bit of a noob question regarding Stateful sessions beans.
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    I am sending XML messages from a mobile J2ME application, there will be several http POST's made from the mobile client to the server. I would like these multiple POST's to be passed from the handling servlet instance to the same uniquely identified single stateful session bean instance (i can then @Remove the stateful bean when I have finished my several requests).
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