Converting 1080 24p to SD 60i

I have finshed editing a :30 commercial that was shot at 24
p 1080
on EX-1. I need to render out three versions of this spot. One needs
to be 1080i 29.97, one needs to be 72
0p and finaly a standard def 16:9 1.2 format. what is the best way to render these without it making these "ghosting" duplicate frame effects?

When I take project into AE and place into
sd comp at 29.97, it seems to do fine. AE adds the frames
( drop down I guess) and no apparent frame ghosting effect

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Hi there! A little bit of a conundrum, but I'm sure the answer is out there.
I have about 4 hours of content that was shot on the Sony FS700. The clips were shot at varying frame rates, but the FS700 automatically conforms high-speed footage at 1080/24p. We've already imported to ProRes 422, but I also have the source media (as shot) still available.
I need to covert everything to 720p/24, and also conform to real-time. There's obviously a VERY long story as to why I'd need to "throw out" frames, but that's beside the point. We've all dealt with silly clients...
Rest assured, our group will edit with the original media (and just speed up when we need real-time.) Any suggestions? I'm on a Mac with Adobe CS6 (new convert!) and Final Cut Studio 3. I also own Telestream Episode. THANKS!

Thanks very much for your help. Yes, it was the faster frame rate I was thinking that I thought could help for the fast action sequences. I was concerned about the jello problem that might be more noticeable at a lower frame rate in fast action scenes. If I'm not mistaken, I believe the GH1 doesn't shoot interlaced, only 1080p and 720p in its movie modes.
Actually, sorry I made a mistake in my previous post. In 720, the Gh1 shoots at 60fps, not 30.
My plan was for the timeline sequence to be 1080 and just drop the 720/60p scenes into the 1080/24p timeline. On the GH1, the advantage of shooting in the 720/60p mode is the great slow motion shots you get when slowed down to 24p. Otherwise, yes, the majority would be 24p.

Converting 1080 24p to 1080 301

Seems I'm needing to go the opposite direction from most folks here, convert 24p to 30i. And I'm new to HD, so please bear with me.
I'm doing an off line edit for a project that will be finalized elsewhere to air in HD 1080 30i. We are sending them the HDCAM tapes, they are sending me time coded dvcam dubs of the HD material. Some of the material was shot on film, and we got the HDCAM tapes in as 1080 23.98. The dub house (who will online the final project in HD) told my producer the material can not be converted to 30i because it "would have to be rendered and then the quality would be unacceptable". They also work with Final Cut.
Can anyone give me a heads up as to what's involved in this process? Is it something the Final Cut suite doesn't handle? I looked here and online, but most folks want to convert the other way. I did see answers here suggesting simply dropping the 24p material into a 30i timeline, then rendering. Does that give choppy results? I had thought that Cinema Tools or Compressor would be able to handle this smoothly, though there might be a bit of rendering involved (creating frames versus removing them). Obviously movies do end up being broadcast on TV, so it can be done. I'm looking at maybe 6 or 7 clips, 2 to 4 minutes each. Is this something that has to done during the initial conversion from film? Best case scenario is that I just had 2 non technical people talking to each other. Worst case is that it will be an expensive lesson. I'd welcome any thoughts. ("Find out all the details before you agree to anything" has already occurred to me)
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Thanks guys, I'll do some of the heavy reading after dinner Zeb. As to Shane's questions:
But of course leads to the question can the 29.98
frame rate be easily converted to 59.94
Yes, quite easily. But...what are you converting
from and to? What are you shooting that is 29.97 and
needs to be upconverted?
Some material that was originally shot on film came to me as HDCAM 23.98
Most material was originally shot on HDCAM and is 59.94 (I must assume), there is no problem converting this material to DVCAM.
then have that converted to a DVCAM tape I can
work from?
Downconverting to DVCAM is easy as well. All this
can be done at a post facility. Even converting
23.98 to DVCAM at 29.97 is fairly standard. Then you
can reverse telecine the footage to 23.98 and do your
offline cut.
HDCAM downconverted to DVCAM is standard. It would
be better to remain in an HD realm if you can,
transfer the HDCAM to DVCPRO HD and capture and work
with that. All you need is a firewire 800 drive or
better yet, a couple eSATA units. I am using the
caldigit.com S2VR Duos myself for DVCPRO HD.
I am still curious as to why you need to convert
29.97 to 59.94?
Good advice on staying HD, but late in the project for that. The workflow from my last project was this:
1. Post house dubbed HDCAM tapes to DVCAM, sent them to me, I put together the project.
2. I sent my project files to the post house along with a reference DVD and associated files
3. Post house batch captures from HDCAM using my project file time code, does regular post tweeking.
The only new element that seems to be a problem this time is that the post house is telling me they can't convert the 23.98 material to a format they can use (59.94), then get me DVCAM dubs of that material.
And an update, just got an email as I was writing saying they can do it but it would take too long. They can ship the tapes out of house but it would be "really expensive".
Shane
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General
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If you have to mix the footage, you might try adding pulldown to the 24P footage to make it run at 30. I believe Graeme's Standards converter will add pulldown - or Shake. Then you can cut the 30fps footage into a 60i timeline...
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DVD SP does't do Blu-Ray.
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Here's a test for you and them to run.
Take a series of respresentative clips. Wide gamut, fast action, brilliant colors, b&w, and so on.
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Now put each clip through the scopes and compare. What do you see?
Now play each on a broadcast reference monitor. What do you see?
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Please report back.
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> that they are not true 30p but really 60i rendered to 30p
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