Converting 24 - 25fps

I shot a music video on a Canon 5D mark II at 23.98 edited and completed in final cut pro until I was left with a Pro res 422 master.
I've now been asked for a 25fps version.
I've tried doing a conversion in Compressor but I got strange ghosting in the frame rate I also did one in cinema tools but the whole thing was speeded up by about 20 secs.
Can someone give me a workflow breakdown on how to do this without it shrinking the running time, knocking it out of sync or ghosting the image.
Thanks.

If you want good conversion, you need to take it to a post facility with a Terranex or other high end converter. This is an odd frame rate to convert...STANDARDS conversion. I'm having to do the same thing...but 29.97 to 25fps.
Shane

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Hi,
I am not sure if yo are experiencing this issue in Adobe Captivate 5 version or older.
If you see this issue in Captivate 5, then this issue is handled in an upgrade patch available -
Please read more details and download the patch from here -
http://blogs.adobe.com/captivate/2010/08/patch-for-adobe-captivate-5-to-resolve-upgrade-re lated-issues.html
This should solve your issue if you are on Captivate 5.
Regards,
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or
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Yes, I may be a stick in the mud but I am not starting out fresh from university on a filmmaking odyssey, nowadays, I'm more or less making films for the enjoyment and FCP X does not give me any joy.
I can't remember every item on the list but when I first started shooting in HD, I pondered switching to Premiere and found a dozen or so fundamental problems which would affect the way I am used to working and so stuck with the creature with which I was familiar. There is, and never was, anything wrong with FCP 7 which ever caused me any real and lasting problems until I discovered this anomaly. There is a long and tedious workaround which involves converting the media twice if I need the 5.1 audio but I would not have thought it would be such a problem for a converting application to include all audio channels in its output.

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PAL to NTSC simple solution

I realise there are probably many threads discussing this topic but I have just finished converting a 25fps movie to 23.98fps i.e PAL to NTSC and found after a lot of trial and error and trying an array of recommended methods that the simplest and best result is this:
1. Export your movie as a self contained clip from FCP and the audio as an .aiff
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I use Graeme Natress's Standards Converter for this within FCP if it is a small project and use Compressor feeding Qmaster clusters for something more lengthy.
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with some short videos intercut
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I'm using compressor for the first time (version 2.0.1) and I'm trying to do a standards conversion of PAL to NTSC.
I selected advance format conversion DV NTSC. It works fine except the frame rate is left at 25 fps even though the inspector had 29.97 in it before I submitted. I've tried it a few times now but the frame rate isn't changing to NTSC rates.
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Why do you try to conform to 24 fps if you want to convert PAL (25fps) to NTSC (30fps) ?
You also doesn't need to de-interlaced video, do you? What for ?
Is it for a theatre release or a television ?
Maybe I didn't understand your problem...
I've never done it but I would suggest to try to conform your quicktime file like that in Cinema Tools:
Open file
Conform
29,97
or
30
I think one is for frop frame and the other one is for non-drop but I don't know which one, I am not familiar with NTSC either.
If it's for television you should choose drop frame I think to have the right lenght.
There is also Reverse Telecine that you can use for NTSC but overall, I would suggest that you take a deep look into Cinema Tools help/manual because it's really well done and I'm quite sure you'll fine all your answers in it.
Regards,
Marie

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Hi
Sudenly my audio is not running at the smane speed as the film.
Can it be so that material used is in one frame rate (fps = frames per second) and Your movie project in another ?
• NTSC = 29.97fps (standard in USA (and more) and on many Cameras)
• PAL = 25fps (standard in EU (and more))
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fps in Your project You see here (in Project window)
first ona at 24 bildrutor = 24fps (frames per second) (why it became this I wonder )
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