Converting Forms - V2 Style triggers

My doubt today is:
Didn´t Oracle created a way to convert V2 style triggers into PL/SQL?
I have to migrate some forms from 4.5 to 10g, and there are lots of these V2 triggers.
Do I really have to convert them manually or are there other ways to do it?

You are about 15 years too late. V2 style triggers came in, strangely enough, version 2 of Forms. Version 3 had PLSQL as a major feature and you were unable to create V2 style trigger in v3 so your forms must have originated in v2. If there was a converter in version 3 I don't know, perhaps someone in this forum knows. If there was, it is no more so you are looking at redoing them manually I am afraid.

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Oracle does provide a upgrade utility , but this does nothing much than giving you a GUI Form with out taking care of the functionality.
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Please let me know as soon as possible.

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