Converting .mov files to .avi in Mountain Lion 10.8.2

For the past few years we have been preparing video files for our scoreboard in our arena by converting .mov files in Quicktime 7. All worked PERFECTLY!!!
Now after a summer of changes to Apple's OS, we have discovered that we can no longer convert .mov files (with proper size) to .avi for our scoreboard.
We have downloaded every converting software out there, but NONE, I repeat NONE allow a custom video size (128x64) for our Daktronics scoreboard.
Very, Very, Very sad that Apple has done this to us and that Daktronics is so archiac in requiring only .avi files.
Help please

For many years we would create our video in a .mov format in the proper size (128x64) and with QT7 we would then convert to .avi with the same size and all would work fine.
Neither MOV nor AVI are "formats," — they are file generic file containers which can hold different kinds of data (e.g., audio, video, text, chapter, timing, etc,) which, in turn, mzy be compressed or encoded using different algorithms or formats. For instance an TV compatible MOV file might contain H.264 video along with an AAC stereo audio, AC3 DD5.1 surround audio, and text "chapter" track while an AVCHD file imported to iMovie would usually be an MOV file containing AIC video and PCM audio for editing. Both are MOV files but they contain entirely different forms of compressed/formatted data. The same holds true for the AVI file container.
I am not that familar with compression. I have attached some info from the QT7 Inspector.
The inspector indicates this MOV file contains three "video" tracks containing "Animation" compressed data. Based on the very low frame rate, my guess would be that these tracks may only contain Animation compressed images stored on separate tracks sequentially to display as a slide show or the tracks contain animated text sequences which play back sequentially. To fully understand what is going on here I would need to either see the file itself or you would have to explain how you created this MOV file. However, while this "sourcing" information would be of personal interest, it (MOV file encoded as Animation/Animation/Animation) should not present a conversion problem as far as the "data source" is concerned.
The next and more important question would be, "To what compression format do you normally transcode the Animation data?" For that I would need to see the "Inspector" window for one of your "working" AVI files (or you could simply email me both the source and finished files) so I can try to simulate your work flow. Basically, AVI is a legacy file format (for which support was formerly dropped more than a decade ago) which commonly uses "legacy" compression formats which may or may not be supported by your current codec component configuration or QT legacy codec settings.
E.g., "Cinepak" is a common default codec used to create AVI video content on a Mac which may be turned off by default on your system and need to be "re-activated" for use under Mountain Lion. (This is why I need to know your "normal" target format and settings here.) As an example, here is a link to an image seguence I created, converted to Animation compression, and then exported as an AVI "Cinepak" file on my system under Mountain Lion to try and simulate your previous work flow. See if it is something like what you are trying to end up with:
http://downloads.walker4.me/downloads/Temporary_files/Barsoom1.avi
You can use the above link to view, download, and/or load the file directly to your QT 7 player if your current system configuration allows this or the VLC media player if it does not. (I.e., this file may or may not be compatible with your current QT playback capabilities and/or this "Daktronics" device—about which I know nothing—but should be compatible with the VLC media player in any case if you have it installed.)

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"Vegas Pro takes a no transcode, no rewrap approach with Panasonic P2 AVC-Intra and DVCPRO source material. Vegas Pro eliminates the transcode and rewrap process that other applications require, so editors can save valuable production time, minimize storage requirements, and preserve the pristine quality of the original source material. Other natively supported codecs and formats include XAVC, XAVC S, XDCAM™, XDCAM EX, NXCAM, HDCAM-SR™, AVCCAM, RED® R3D, AVCHD, and AVC-based MOV files from popular DSLR cameras. For 3D content creation, Vegas Pro also supports stereoscopic 3D MVC and MPO files from Sony camcorders."
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So after doing research on other forums it seems that there are 2 types of AVI files (divx and xvid).
QT can only access the DivX and XviD codecs if they are available to the QT 7 Pro app. I.e., these are proprietary codecs not included in the QT installation package. A better question here might be whether or not the Sony Vegas software can edit these compression formats since they are not listed as being supported natively by Sony. That is, you need to be importing file container/compression format combinations that are listed as being edit compatible with the software you are trying to use for your edits.
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Okay, I have the files already in .mov as I was saying. So, I'm trying to convert them for my actress' editor (who requested them in AVI) because he uses Adobe Premiere Pro on a Windows Platform. I'm not sure which Premiere Pro version he has, nor do I know which formats it accepts as a result.
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Since you did not supply complete specific settings, it is difficult to tell for sure. For instance, if your target video data rate is set too low for the HD content, then at the 85-95% point the application may determine that it is impossible to achieve the target average data rate and stop compressing changes in the video scenes and you end up with either a frozen frame or a black screen. Have had this happen to with other encodes using MPEG-4/AVC. Basically the codec is simply reducing the current instantaneous video rate in an attempt to achieve the targeted "average" data rate by the time the end of the file is reached and the current date rate is simply too low to display more than a black screen or a picture in motion.
Is it usually this difficult to convert formats like this? I thought it would be a quick fix, but it seems I'm running into a bunch of different problems.
No, but then in a normal work for you would already know what format the editor actually wants to use for editing. As I indicated previously, it is unclear at this time whether she wants to edit content in the "native" format in Premier Pro or needs to have you convert the content to a different editing compression format. iMovie '09, for instance would normally use AIC (Apple Intermediate Codec)/AIFF (Linear PCM) for editing HD content.

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I’ve also made some other comments about my experience with the camera, in case anyone was considering buying a Kodak camera in the near future.
I bought the camera just before Christmas 2004 in the US. At the time of writing, it is a pretty good model for domestic use—about 5.2 megapixels, costing about US$400 (or AU$600 back here in Australia). From a company as reputable as Kodak, I expected no problems.
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The second, more serious problem is that RADtools could not properly convert some of the video clips at all. (This problem only affected less than 10% of the clips I originally filmed, but most of those clips were very short—less than 20 seconds. It seems that the probability of this problem gets worse, the longer the clip.) RADtools would misreport the number of frames in the clip, and would stretch out a small number of frames of video (in slow motion) to match the length of the audio.
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After more angst, I found a number of websites in which frustrated owners of these Kodak cameras have reported the exact same problems.
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