Convince me to buy a zen mi

Hi,
I'm using a zen touch which is great and now my son wants a zen micro, having read the posts on here, I get the impression that it is a pile of junk! However I do realize that most people posting here are looking for answers to problems and therefore aren't gonna be too happy. So I guess Im asking he people who haven't found fault with their micros to tell me about it! Also will there be any problems running a micro and a touch on the same pc? thanks in advance for any replies.
Bill

Need2mod,
I have found that the human instinct to "save" an animal from harm is exponentially relational to the amount of hair or fluff found on them. "Jeremy's Theorum" states that as H (the percentage of hair of fluff covering the animal's skin) approaches 00% (or ) the human response factor approaches infinity.
Ex. A turkey has a hair/fluff coverage of close to 0% somewhere around .0004 so the human response factor is close to zero.
Had you chosen a yellow chick (.92 fuzz) or perhaps a bunny (.93 hair) you probably could illicit a strong response.
The proof of concept for this would be to find a real life example of the Martian hair creature from Loony Tunes. It is actually 00% hair.
Ok that is my one, off topic post today. This thread really probably belongs in Off-Topic, but it seems to be within control.
Jeremy

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  • Will buy a Zen Touch if.

    Ok, I'm 75% sure that I'll be buying a Zen Touch 40Gb.
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    Using the Zen Touch, and considering that I'll install that Nomad Explorer which allows me to see the Zen in "My Computer, will I be able to have my music library in MusicMatch and play MP3s or will I have to use Creative's own software?
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    Have you consider the H340 and H320 from iRi'ver?
    http://www.iri'veramerica.com/prod/hd/
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    http://us.creative.com/support/downloads/download2.asp?manualID=848&Product_ID=0274?ionID=& Product_Name=Zen+Touch
    This will give you a better idea of what to expect from the player.Message Edited by lsd_us3r on 04-22-2005 0:3 PM

  • Read before you buy a Zen Mi

    Here's the experience of one really unhappy customer. Haven't yet had a reply to my last message to Customer Support, but don't really expect to receive anything helpful.
    MESSAGE :
    I bought my Zen Micro in April, have used it to read about 5 NetLibrary audiobooks and nothing else, and already it's giving me a 'Hardware Error' message when I turn it on. That's the last in a long list of problems:
    * The earphone jack caused problems almost from the first. I assumed it was just the cheap little earbuds that came with the product, and bought some new, good-quality ones last month. The problem, instead of going away, just got worse.
    * Also about a month ago, it started to have problems shutting down. It would show the "Shutting Down" message, but just stay like that until I removed the battery or hit reset. An extreme annoyance with an audiobook when you don't know exactly where you were when you left off since the bookmarks I set weren't saved.
    * The software can't handle large audiobooks. With the .* firmware, I could upload a big book (28 hours), but it only showed about 0 hours, after which the remaining time was zero and the fast forward and seek features no longer worked. Combine this with the problem shutting down, and I was ready to pull out my hair.
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    I feel ripped off-about $200 for being able to listen to 5 books! The warranty says I'll have to pay labor costs to get the hardware error fixed, but even if I do, I'll still be left with a bad earphone jack, no support for big audiobooks and probably more problems shutting down in the future. Oh yes, and no indication that Creative even knows that people like to listen to audiobooks. Not everyone in the MP3 market is a music-mad teenager, you know. Or well, you don't, but I sure wish you would figure it out. Check out your own forums, CNet's and any number others, and you'll see how many frustrated readers are out there.
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    The problem you described indicates your unit may require repair or replacement. If possible, try exchanging the product for another from the vendor, for this may be much quicker and easier than having an RMA (Return Merchandise Authorization) issued. If this is not possible, an RMA will need to be arranged to have your product tested for repair/replacement.
    If the product has exceeded its three month labor warranty period, a non-refundable US $25.00 diagnostics and handling fee will be required.
    The fee is applied toward the complete cost of repair/replacement. If the cost of the repair/replacement exceeds the initial diagnostic fee, the RMA department will contact you to obtain your authorization for finance of the remaining fee. If the product is still within the year hardware warranty, as long as there is no physical damage, all hardware component replacement costs will be covered by the hardware warranty. If the product is not outside its three month labor warranty, no diagnostic fee is required. ..
    (Detailed instructions omitted)
    Once this information is applied to the RMA database, we will reply to you with an RMA reference number and shipping instructions.
    * Please note that an estimation of repair costs cannot be made without the above information.
    If you still require assistance, please reply to this email with any previous correspondence to ensure the quickest and most accurate service.
    MESSAGE 2:
    This reply is NOT helpful, and it suggests you have not read everything I wrote. I did not contact Customer Service in order to receive a form letter. If Creative wishes hopes to keep me as a customer who will buy future products, it will have to do a great deal better than that!
    Of course, the unit needs fixing. It does not work. Though more than three months old (as I already told you), it has not been used all that much, and yet it has multiple problems that did not show up until after the warranty expired. The fact that I am expected to pay anything at all when you offer no explanation of why I am experiencing the other problems I described astonishes me. As my original e-mail pointed out, even if the problem that causes it to display 'Hardware Problem,' is fixed, there are other problems as well, including the one with the software which will not function properly in importing large books. My paying you $25 to fix what is obviously a defecti've product will still leave me which a player that is less than satisfactory.
    It is clear from Creative's forums that the Zen Micro line has experienced repeated problems with defecti've headphone jacks, and I have read a great deal that suggests this has in turn led to the failure of the entire unit. I do not know whether this is a design flaw or a manufacturing problem, but it scarcely seems like something I should have to pay to correct.
    I have also read that Creative is aware of the problems with importing large files. Well, they can hardly fail to be aware of it, since there plenty of complaints about this in your own forums. And yet Creative does not appear to be doing anything to fix the problem, and doesn't even acknowledge it on their Web site. Are there any plans to address this bug? If so, what are they?
    Service, please.
    REPLY 2 FROM A CUSTOMER SUPPORT REP (different person):
    Thank you for contacting us. As your player is reading an error message that states "hard disc problem", this is specifically an issue that requires your product to be sent in, as there may be an issue with the internal hard disc dri've on the player. At that time, you may also have the head phone jack loss issue repaired under the warranty. There is a $25.00 labor fee after 90 days from purchase date shown on your receipt.
    This is a standard fee for anyone outside the labor period (90 days), as stated clearly on our website at us.creative.com, SUPPORT, under WARRANTY AND RETURNS.
    These are your options at this time, if you wish to proceed with an RMA, we will be happy to assist you. Please let us know if you have further questions or concerns.
    If you still require assistance, please reply to this email with any previous correspondence to ensure the quickest and most accurate service.
    MESSAGE 3:
    Of course, I have futher concerns.
    . I did not receive a message that states "hard disc problem"; it says "hardware error," as I wrote. Is anyone actually paying attention to what I write?
    2. There are additional hardware issues that preceded that one. If I pay the $25, even if you send me a new Micro, it appears that these problems are common in the Micro and likely to occur again. Am I about to may more money just to continue having the same problems? I want some explanation of what is going on before I spend another penny and some assurance that I will not simply be throwing good money after bad.
    3. There is still the issue of the software/firmware, which cannot handle large audiobooks. What does Creative plan to do about this? Anything? So far, I have had two responses, and no one has even had the courtesy to acknowledge what I wrote, much less to provide me with any answers. This has nothing to do with any warranty.
    4. My player was out of warranty for one lousy month when I wrote you. I have a player with multiple problems, all of which the company appears to have been aware of when they sold me the unit, and Creative is insisting on sticking to the fine print. Why on earth would I want to do further business with such a company?
    I want this issue escalated to a manager or someone who will actually address ALL the issues I have raised.

    He is she and a grandmother, not some kid on the prowl. What kind of free stuff do you think I'm after? What I want is for them to wai've the $25 fee for fixing a problem that in most products would lead to a recall. They've known about the problem for some time, and it is one that, by its very nature, is likely to occur after the three-month warranty is up. I might not have felt so strongly about this, though, if the first two replies from Customer Service hadn't sounded as if they didn't even bother to read what I wrote. That is certainly not what I would consider good service.

  • Where can I buy a Zen Touch

    Hi.
    I have been looking at the Zen touch for a wile now and am thinking of buying the 40GB model when it comes out.
    Today I went to Best Buy and Circuit City to look and test it out, but was disappointed to see that they don?t carry it yet? can anyone else think of somewhere to buy one that will have it out on the self with music loaded on it so I can test it's?
    Thanks in advance!!
    Torstein.Message Edited by Torstein on -03-2004 :43 PM

    GunsNRoses, I have looked at the I-ri'ver H340 and its VARRY nice. I would go for it right away.
    But the thing that bugs me is they took out most of the functions from the American version (some of the missing functions are: USB host to take pictures from digital cameras, UMM, there?s more but I cant think :P ) also they take most of the accessories out. They did this to make the player cost less and to be a better competitor with the I-pod.
    On the other hand (for a bit more $$$) they do have an international version (AKA World version) that has all the functions and just about all the accessories. So if I get one I will get the international one.
    But today I emailed their tech support to see what would happen if I sent the international one into the American repair center. They replied that if I sent the international one and it needed to be replaced they would only be able to replace it with an American one. So I am looking into being able to get the warrantee out of US.
    The H340 is a .8? hard dri've so its a bit more shock proof which is nice.
    The sound quality is vary good but I did not get to compare it to the touch.
    They did not have any pictures loaded on it so I did not get to see that side of the player.
    I also like that I-ri'ver based the hard dri've format on the FAT format, making the hard dri've plug and play compatible, although this makes the player have a bit longer start up time (the longest time I have head is 40 seconds.)
    The interface is a bit hard to use if you don?t know how to, but once you get used to it it'ss EZ.
    To be able to record from anything is vary nice.
    Having the color screen is cool to.
    I have heard rumors about the player having the ability to save song lyrics and allow the user to access them when listening to music, I would find this really good, I don?t know if it will do this.
    I have spent a little time on the I-ri'ver forms to see what people say about it. From what I have seen on the I-ri'ver forms most of what people that have a H340 are asking for new firmware and not so much talking about hardware problems.
    The I ri'ver is more expensi've than the touch but it has more functions and comes with more accessories.
    Here?s a link to a site that sells the H340 if you wont to look into it more. They have some good info on it. : http://www.teamdigital.net/store/customer/product.php?productid=402&cat=203&page=
    Another thing about the international player is that it comes with a different wall outlet cable than we use in the US. But I do believe that the USB cradle charges the battery. And you can always go get a power adapter.
    On the Zen touch.
    I do like the other Zen models and a touch pad sounds nice. But I need to see it.
    I do not like that creative removed EAX from the player?s firmware and hope that creative will add that back with an update.
    It is nice to see that creative brought back the LCD wired remote with FM receiver.
    From the looks of the case creative supplies with the touch it looks good. Although others have said that its design faulty I think it will work fine.
    The touch is not plug and play, which can be annoying but it makes the player start up faster.
    The touch is also a .8? hard dri've, which is a bit more shock resistant than the 2,5?(other Zen models.)
    I don?t know much more on the touch, but I hope I do soon.
    I am still at a loss as which player I will buy, they both look so good. I hope when I can finally see them next to each other and test them I will know.
    The I ri'ver is more expensi've than the touch but it has more functions and comes with more accessories.
    If you have any questions post them and we can talk about it.
    Torstein.Message Edited by Torstein on -05-2004 06:00 AM

  • A question before I buy a Zen Mic

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    simple google search
    The answer's no - but that's not necessarily a bad thing. If you're a fan of iTunes, then an iPod is probably the way to go. If you're not a fan of being tied to just Apple's solution, and want a wider choice, then the Zen's a good bet. Creative supply their own software for copying tracks to the Micro, or you can use Windows Media Player (our preferred option). The Micro gives you more software choice, and you're not tied to Apple's software (which you have to register to use). The iPod supports MP3 and AAC formats, and the Zen supports MP3 and WMA formats, so if you're buying tracks with iTunes in AAC format, you're tied to the iPod. The formats used by the Zen are fine with other products from Creative, Philips, iRi'ver, Samsung, etc. If you're looking to order tracks online, consider the popular Napster

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    Hey,
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