COPA Cost based datasource

Hi ,
Please read the scenario given below:
One cost based DataSource is existing in ECC6.0, because of business requirements we have configured account based copa and created the account based copa DataSource on same operating concern. Now the problem is while enhancing the operating concern, copa consultant deleted few fields from the operating concern, that fields are part of the cost based DataSource . Because of that reason cost based DataSource is not working, the only way I know is to create new cost based DataSource with the available fields. the existing DataSource is delta one working based on time stamp management. If I create a new DataSource , is it possible to reinitialize delta from that time onwards( for example in production we have loaded data till yesterday with existing DataSource using delta update, next day onwards is it possible to load data using the new DataSource ).
If I create a new datasource it will work based on generic delta, but the previous one is working based on time stamp management
Will it create any problem to reintialize the delta with new datasource?
Please give your inputs.
If any additional details is required, I will provide..
Regards
Nivas

Hi Sreekanth ,
Thanks for the update .
Coming to R/3 side Is it possible to build to COPA Datasources based on i.e 1) Account absed COPA Datasource and Cost based Datasource .
Presenty we are using Account based COPA datasource .
We are planning to configure Cost based COPA datasource in coming days .
Can we do it if so what are impacts and suggestions from your side .
Thanks
venkat

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We have a copa cost based datasource.User has complained that some data is missing in BI frrom R3.When we checked in Infopackage history no data loads got failed and all requests were succesful.
Is there still a chance that data might get missed.
I created a full infopackage and again ran the load .Again load is green and complete.Still the same data comes in PSA.
Should i need to check repair full request flag.
What could be the other reason.User sent the R3 COPA report screenshots highlighting the missing data.
Regards,
Sushant

Hi,
Please check if all the value fields from ECC have been mapped in BI system.
May be the case that some value fields were not mapped & hence the data is missing.
try & reconcile your data with the data from table CE1<OP Concern> from ECC side.
u can Make use of transaction KE24 aswell.
Thanks & Regards,
VIraj Dhopavkar.

COPA Cost Based

Hi,
Are Value fields in the Operating Concern mapped to key figures in a cost based COPA?
Thanks

Summarization levels for an operating concern have the same function as aggregates for an infocube
CO/PA summarization levels are managed by the infocube, and always contain the same numbers as the infocube that they are based on.
Characteristics in CO/PA correspond to the characteristics in infocubes.
The value fields in CO/PA can be regarded as key figures with additional summarization in each characteristics
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COPA -costing based accounting

Hi,
Could you please provide me configuration steps for costing based accounting?
That could be gratefully
Thank you

HI,
Please refer to the Thread posted today for COPA config.
Re: COPA
Basic config steps
1. Maintain Characterstics
IMG- CO-Profitablity Analysis - Structures -Define Operating Concern - Maintain char
2. Maintain Value Fields
3. Define Operating concern (Accouting based or costing based) , copy the standard operating concern settings provided by sAP
4. Set operating concern (KEBC)
5. Assign CO area to Operating concern
6. define profibaility segment char
2. Master Data
2.1 Maintain char values
2.2 Define char hierarchies
2.3Define Char derivation
2.4 Define and assign valuation strategy
2.5Define keys for accessing material cost estimates
2.6 Assign costing keys to any char
2.7 Assign value fields
3 Planning
3.1 Define number ranges for planning data
3.2 Maintain versions
3.3 Assign quantity fields
3.4 Setup planing framework
3.5 Assign char groups to plan cycles
3.6Assign receiver plan versions
3.7Define structure of cost center assessment
4.Flow of actual values
4.1 Define number ranges for actual postings
4.2Maintain value field groups
4.3 Assign value field grops for line item screens
4.4 Activiate transfer of incoming sales order
4.5 transfer of biling doc
4.6 Assign quantity fields
4.7 Maintain PA transfer structure for direct posting FI.MM (KEI2)
4.8 Automatic account assignment (OKB9)
4.9 Define PA transfer structure for variance settlement
4.10 Assign PA transfer structure to Settlement profile
Activate profitability analysis (customizng req gets generated)
All these can be accessed throug SPRO - Controlling - PA
AFter maintain the configuraiton settings, you can develop custom defined COPA reports using Information ssytems.
Hope this helps. Pls assign points as a way to say thanks
Thanks and regards,
RAdhika
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COPA - costing based and accounting based

Hi Expert,
If the COPA implemented using acounting based and later can it change to costing based? 9 my client is using ECC6
Please advice what will be the impact if the changes can be made or it is possible to do this way.
Can any expert advice on this.
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Hi Sridhar,
Thanks for your reply, can you explain if we want to stop one of the method, what is the steps that need to be done?
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COPA- Cost-Based Chagning KSTAR(Cost Element) from technical to fixed field

In the PA module-
What are the implications with modifying the COPA field catalog in table v_tkef. That is changing a technical field (T) into a fixed characteristic or alternatively modifying the function module rke_external_data_get to allow technical fields to do the same functionality as B, S, U, or V.
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We are using Cost-based COPA and there a requirement to post actual and plan documents by cost element in PA. However Cost element (KSTAR) is a technical field in cost based COPA.
We would like the implications of modifying the field characteristics of KSTAR from technical to Fixed characteristic and setup the KSTAR as a characteristic within the Operating Concern.
Your answers will be helpful in knowing the implications, feasibility and recommendations.
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Krishna

Hi,
YOu are making that kink on CJIC where you can assign fix asset to WBS , before doing that you needs to check procured items agaist that particular WBS(on CJI3) & get create fix asset. To my knowledge that is the standard way to link fix asset & WBS rather than having ABAP validation.
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SL

COPA (Cost based & Account Based)

Hi Gurus;
Can some share me the documents for cost based & account based extraction of COPA.
I am looking for differences and how exactly do you do extraction for the both(Step-by-step).
I am also looking for which model should we use if COPA is not implemented in R/3 and otherwise.
Thanks in advance!

Hi,
chk this:
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/com.sap.km.cm.docs/library/biw/g-i/how%20to%20co-pa%20-%20retraction
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/fb07ab90-0201-0010-c489-d527d39cc0c6
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/com.sapportals.km.docs/documents/a1-8-4/how%20to%20set%20up%20connection%20co-pa%20-%20extraction
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/com.sap.km.cm.docs/library/biw/g-i/how%20to%20upload%20co-pa%20hierarchies.pdf
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/com.sap.km.cm.docs/library/biw/g-i/how%20to%20co-pa%20extraction%203.0x
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Need info for COPA (Cost based profitability analysis)- Archiving objects

Hi All,
SAP have introduced new 2 Archiving objects COPAA_xxxx, and COPAB_xxxx instead of the old archiving object COPA1_xxxx.
Where xxxx = operating concern.
Can any one please give the document path how to archive the COPA data.
Means exactly i want the variant parameters for the 2 new archiving objects.
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I need to Archive the data in R/3 system & ECC6.0 not in BW system.
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COPA account-based only!

Hi
I intend to implement COPA for my customer, but only COPA account-based.
As my knowledge about COPA, costing based uses value fields instead of account as in account based.
But when i demo in client 800 (IDES), I realized that many diffirences between costing based and account based. It seem to be not only relevant to the value fields and account based.
For example:
when i post an invoice (fb50) in FI, then click profit segment field. I can not find characteristics that i want to post to such as material group. And there is nowhere for choosing all characteristics in client.
How can i find the way to post to characteristics that i want to post to directly from FI to PA?
Another example:
when I create report in PA account-based, there are limited characteristics in compare with PA costing based, so I can not choose profit segments i want?
What's the problem here?
Is it possible? Which problems can I meet if i do not use costing-based?
I am apreciated any help of you!
Thanks

Couple of things:
In Account based CO-PA:
1. You can't get Cost component break down.
2. No break down of variance categories.
3. Create a Characteristic in KEA5 and add to operating conern in KEA0. KEQ3 is to define segment level characteristics. To improve system performance, you can also restrict the characteristics that make up the profitability segment.
4. When you add a characteristic to operating concern, then by default that characteristic is available at the time of document entry. We use characteristic groups to determine what characteristics appear in which order on the screens for assigning profitability segments in different business transactions. If no characteristic groups are defined, the user can enter values for any characteristic in the operating concern.
5. Account based CO-PA uses the same tables (COEP, COEJ, COSP, COSS etc.,) as used by overhead cost management, whereas costing based COPA has it's own tables. The definitions of profitability segments for both CO-PA sub-modules are stored in the same table, the CE4XXXX table (where XXXX = operating concern).
6. Period account approach, unlike costing based which is cost of sales accounting approach.
7. Account-based CO-PA stores all transaction in three currencies: the transaction currency, the local currency, and the controlling area currency.
Also, check SAP note 69384 on account based COPA.
What kind of business is your client in? What reporting is he expecting out of CO-PA?
Edited by: Pradeep kumar Athmakur on Dec 31, 2009 6:32 PM

How can I create ACCT_BUDAT into COPA account based data source?

hi Friends,
I create a COPA data source use standard BI function: KEB0 and find that the posting data(ACCT_BUDAT ) can not include into it.
I checked the table CE4xxxx_acct and find that it has already in it, however when I check tcode KEQ3 I found that this field is not in the list.
So can anybody tell me the reason and advice? the posting data is important for the report. Also if possible, may I include the COPA document number into the COPA account based datasource?
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Hi,
   The posting date BUDAT is not a characteristic ; its just a technical field.
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regards
Waman

Cost Based COPA

Hello Experts,
I am reviewing this document and there seems to be a daily feed from R3 into a BW Cost Based COPA.
When I read Cost Based, the first question in my mind was that there much be other options and cost based was selected.
If so what are the other options which could have been selected, and what are the implications of selecting cost based over the others.
I will appreciate if you could share your thoughts with real life examples to help me understand what may be going on in R3 and what may be coming to BW, and why?
Please mention any helpful transaction codes on the BW or R3 side related to this explanation.
Thanks

Which datasources are you interested in...?
Depending on what your users need, two datasources come to mind.
0CO_OM_OPA_6 and 0CO_OM_CCA_9.
OPA_6 is for internal order based cost collection.
CCA_9 is for cost center based cost collection.
Both extract transaction level information from COSP, COEP, etc..... it just depends on how your company uses internal orders or cost centers for cost collecting.
For collecting costs, these are really very key datasources for determining budget vs actuals information.
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/smw

Activating Account based Copa in the existing Cost-based COPA

Hi Sap CO gurus!
Please advise me for the following issue.
Presently, My client using Cost-based COPA for segment wise reporting.( Already activated).
Now they wanted the reports in Account Based. Is it possible to activate the Account based now? Will the system allow us to activate or not?
If yes, What will be the implications? I want to know the pros and cons for that.
If not, How Can I edit the COPA settings( Operating concern)? Or shall I delete the Operating concern and create one new one?
Can you please explain the impact of each situation?
Thanks a lot in advance
Rama

Hi Joe
You can deactivate Account Based COPA, but you will have to do a thorough testing so that you are aware of the issues that can crop up
The IMG Menu is SPRO > Controlling > Prof Analysis
You will have to do a testing of how the open sales orders would behave... The open sales orders mean Sales Orders where PGI has been done, but billing is pending AS WELL AS Sales orders which are just created, but no Logistics movement (PGI) has taken place... You will have to do testing on both types of sales orders
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- Also do a billing from an open sales order and see if you get any error there...
Similar issue can arise during variance settlement also, because the variance account is not a cost ele in Costing Based COPA.
Test out the above scenarios and do share your experiences
Regards
Ajay M

Reconciliation of costing based COPA and account based COPA

hi experts,
I want reconciliation statement of A/c based copa and costing based copa through SAP. we have not configured any account based copa reports. now we are manually doing the reconciliation. Please tell me the configuration.
Thanks & regards
jay

HI
Costing-based Profitability Analysis is the form of profitability analysis that groups costs and revenues according to value fields and costing-based valuation approaches, both of which you can define yourself. It guarantees you access at all times to a complete, short-term profitability report.
Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing characteristic of this form is its use of cost and revenue elements. It provides you with a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting
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1. Can we create Cash flow and Profit and loss based on Cost based COPA.
2. Can we create Cash flow and Profit and loss based on Account based COPA.
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Please check this document:
http://help.sap.com/printdocu/core/Print46c/en/data/pdf/COPA/COPA.pdf
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b) can will appear any issue or problem about my current PA costed based loads?
c) how can I see with pa model (costed or account based) is running in the R/3 instalation?
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Hi,
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