COPA Costed and Account based

Hi Experts,
I have running In BW, PA Costed based, and now I need activate PA accounted based extractor.
a) does somebody have any doc or how-to papers, specific about COPA Accounted?
b) can will appear any issue or problem about my current PA costed based loads?
c) how can I see with pa model (costed or account based) is running in the R/3 instalation?
Thank you in adavance!

Hi,
Costing-based Profitability Analysis is the form of profitability analysis that groups costs and revenues according to value fields and costing-based valuation approaches, both of which you can define yourself. It guarantees you access at all times to a complete, short-term profitability report.
Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing characteristic of this form is its use of cost and revenue elements. It provides you with a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting
Hope this helps
Regards,
Aparna

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Hi Rashmi,
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There is lot of reading material available on forums and help.sap.com
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COSTING-BASED PROFITABILITY ACCOUNT-BASED PROFITABILITY
ANALYSIS ANALYSIS
OBJECTIVE
o profitability and sales accounting
o evaluation of market segments (for example,
customers, product groups, sales areas) and corporate
units (for example, division, sales organization) with
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DATA STRUCTURES
o definition of operating concerns o definition of operating
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please search the forums before posting - the COPA models is well documented in help.sap.com and also in the forums
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Edited by: Arun Varadarajan on Jan 28, 2009 8:11 PM

please search the forums before posting - the COPA models is well documented in help.sap.com and also in the forums
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Edited by: Arun Varadarajan on Jan 28, 2009 8:11 PM

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Diagnosis
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