COPA derivation - dummy profit center

Hey All
While creating a sales order the system is deriving the dummy profit center for materials assigned to only couple of Profit centers. The material master has right profit center with active status and correct validity dates. I checked the derivation rule in ke4st where a function call line is yellow. this line is realted to checking if profit center accounting is active. Can anyone suggest me why is this happening with only for two of these profit centers

SAP provided multiple derivation rules for profit center, the first one is to 'Check whether Profit Center Accounting is active' and if so DUMMY profit center is filled. You should also see follwoing derivation rules to check profit center.
Table lookup            Profit center from product/plant
Table lookup            Profit center from CO order number
Table lookup            Profit center from WBS element
Please check the derivation rule 'Profit center from product/plant' and check the Target fields section and see if derivation failed.
Regards,
Ganesh

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Hi..
Try to assgin that GL Account in 3KEH and give original correct profit center which you want to post exactly instead of Dummy profit center.
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Sorry , i dont have the OSS number , but i got the below reply from SAP .
The standard design is as follows:
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Hi,
Good morning and greetings,
Maintain a substitution rule in the system through GGB1 / OBBH to ensure that the right profit centre is determined during the transaction.
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HI,
Dummy Profit Center is a must with Classic Profit Center Accounting, so no question of deletion/de-activation of Dummy PC.
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp60_sp/helpdata/en/91/de886af65011d2b4d7006094b9b0a5/frameset.htm
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MR21 is only posted on company code level. To derive the profit center from the material master it would be necessary to know the plant but the plant is not available during MR21 posting. The system cannot break down the profit center information knowing only the company code. In that case this is the reason why the dummy profit center is used for price difference postings.
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Hi
You are not clear on your post
1) whether you have implemented Document Slitting or not?
2) Mapped Zero Balance account or not and
3) Profit Center and Zero Balance account are checked in document soplitting charactreristiocs or not?
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HI,
System may be picking up the dummy profit center from configuration which is overwriting your manual entry.
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Also, read through the link for better understanding of profit center determination:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp60_sp/helpdata/en/eb/13811243c411d1896f0000e8322d00/frameset.htm
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2. On August 2006 -- Due to this business reversed original customer invoice using FB08 which again has customer account line item when to dummy profit center and other line items were posted to the correct profit center.
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