COPA PA segment

Hi,
In COPA, there are two table: CE4***, CE4**_ACCT (*** mean operating concern), i see these table all store PA segent information, including PA segement No, sales org, etc. The PA segment No in this two table is not overlap, i wonder what PA segemnt store in CE4***, what PA segment store in CE4***_ACCT ? Thanks

Hi,
From Release 4.5A, this table is introduce to supplement table CE4XXXX. When you assign postings from other applications (such as orders, projects, FI documents, and so on) to profitability segments, you can now enter values for ALL characteristics in the operating concern, not just the Segment-level characteristics (which is available in CE4XXXX0
S Jayaram

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What are the precautions needs to be taken if it really helps to reduce line items.
We are using only Costing based profitability. Some segment characteristics are checked for CostingAccount based COPA are those characteristics also applicable for Costing based PA or those are only used for AccountCosting PA.
Need your valuble inputs..
Thank you.
Regards,
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Hi
Characteristics [Extern] are the criteria in Profitability Analysis (CO-PA) according to which you
can analyze your operating results and perform differentiated sales and profit planning.
If u deselect the Characteristics then the profitablity report wont chow the report for that Characteristics along with value
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In table CE4XXXX for copa we have profitability segment number which get associated with the document when it is posted in COPA.
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The PSG is formed based on the segment level chars you define in KEQ3....
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You can deactivate Account Based COPA, but you will have to do a thorough testing so that you are aware of the issues that can crop up
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When i create a Sales order I want to save both PA Segment and WBS Element fields in Account Assignment tab at item level.
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This is SAP system standar behaviour.
note # 729381 under item 6:

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I would like to know the following points while interacting with COPA reports
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Both have different purpose...
When you allocate - The cost center is credited and COPA (prof Segment) is Debited...
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All
In Account COPA I see two tables, One CE4XXXX and other is CE4XXXX_ACCT. What is the difference between these two tables. CE4XXXX_ACCT has much much more records as compared to the CE4XXXX table. If I was to use either of the two for reporting and reconciliation what table should be used. We are using FISL and COPA with segment number as a common key.
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Hi,
In Release 4.5A, a new table CE4xxxx_ACCT (xxxx = operating concern) is generated in addition to the existing key table CE4xxxx. This new table contains the assignment information for each document in the other applications. You may need to monitor the growth of this table.
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COPA Assessement - reciever tracing factors getting multiplied

HI All,
COPA assessment cycle has been defined to send the costs from cost centers to COPA profitability segments. Posted revenue has been used as tracing factors. My question is regarding calculation of tracing factors.
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Shaun,
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Movement 543 F always take sales order as cost object

Dear sap expert,
I run MTO scenario.
In one of my step before a product become finish good, the semi finish good need to sent to subcon vendor (the material need another process outside company production line).
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Hi Anu
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