Copy Protected CDs - Question

Hi -
I have just started to load my CD collection into iTunes my question is about copy protected CDs - I am worried in case by accident I put one into my iMac. Do the new up-to-date iMacs still have an issue with copy protected CDs causing them to lock? If so how do you tell one is copy protected? I have a Celine Dion one - A New Day Has Come - don't like her myself but my Dad is very keen on her and so I wanted to add that one however I understand that her CD is one of those that is copy protected although I cannot see anything on the disc that indicates it is copy protected.
If I do get one stuck is it easy to get it out?
Can anyone advise.
Thanks
Agentfalco

Mac OS: Cannot Eject Copy Protected Audio Disc, Computer Starts Up to Gray Screen
Please read this article and be absolutely sure that you have an emergency eject hole on your computer's optical drive. If your computer is an Intel-based Mac, note that booting into Open Firmware to use the eject cd command is not an option.
If the disc in question is copy-protected, there should be text and/or graphics on the back cover as well as on the label of the disc itself to that effect. Sometimes, depending on the copy control strategy used, you can see a clearly visible line on the data side of the disc making it obvious that it's a multi-session disc.

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Copy Protected CDs and iTunes - long but important

Hey all, I didn't search all the posts but I haven't seen much mentioned about this topice so I thought I would bring it to your attention. If this is a repeat, I apologize.
The basic issue is this: some new CDs (especially from Sony) have a program on them that loads on the computer and will only allow you to load the songs as WMA files. This happened to me when I bought a copy of Switchfoot's new cd. It says right on the back that it will only work with Media Player but hey, I wasn't paying attention. Apparently this is not an issue is you are using a Mac.
Anyhow, you cannot load these CDs into iTunes and therefore cannot load them onto your iPod. This has created a huge controvery over on the Sony boards and if you follow the link I will give you, you can see it. Switchfoot is a very popular band and a lot of people got hammered over this. I was lucky enough that my Christian store took the opened cd back after I explained the problem and I had to download it from the iTunes store. You lose a song this way but what can you do. I guess the new album by Cold Play is the same way but I am not a fan so I can't be sure.
If you follow the Sony posts, when you get to the 6th page (I think), one of the members of Switchfoot posted and gave us a few ways to get around this. If you have NEVER put one of these copy protected cds into your drive, you do not have the software on your computer yet. He describes a program you can download and then use it after you put the cd in the drive. If you have inserted one of the cds, the little program is hiding somewhere on the computer and that fix will not work.
You can copy it to Media Player, burn it to a cd, and then load it to iTunes. But.........here you are making copies of copies and are going to lose sound quality. How much and will it be noticable, I have no clue.
Someone on the board said Sony is aware of the uproar and will have a version of iTunes that will be able to import these cds sometime in November (it is actually Apple that is doing I would guess). It all started because Apple refuses to give some kind of code to the large labels so they made the copy protection so iTunes will not recognize the cd (no matter how many time you put it into your drive......believe me I tried over and over on Tuesday until I found the Sony boards by doing a Google).
If this is news to you all, I am glad. If a repeat, sorry but I wanted to make sure all iPod owners (especially those of us with PCs) to be aware of this. There is a small alert near the spine of the jewel case that says "Copy Protected" or something like that and then on the back on the bottom it talks about only being able to use in Media Player.
Some who pre-ordered the disk online did not get the cd with the protection and apparantly some got some copies in retail stores that didn't have it also. I looked at all 400 copies the Christian store I bought it from had and they were all protected. Switchfoot is a Christian rock band but have had tremendous success crossing over into the rock genre.
One last thing, I guess the Dual Disk version will work in iTunes., at least that was the latest I had read.
Here is the link to the Sony Board on this topic and if you all can't find the one post about how to get around this, let me know and I will find it and post it here for you.
http://forums1.sonymusic.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/716102313/m/1331071454/p/1
Good luck. I don't know how to make the links work on this board but you can copy/paste it into your browser window.
Hope this helps some of you,
Mike

After using Macs for a number of years at both school and work, I finally ordered an iMac G5 of my own. When the DualDiscs came out I bought a few because I wnated all the content I could get. Attempting to play them on my iMac at work however, proved problematic. The audio side would spin for a few seconds then eject. I was slightly annoyed, but settled for playing the DVD audio versions of the albums as I worked. In my car stereo, the audio would work, but any other player it would not.
When my personal iMac came, I expected the same problem- only the DVD side would play. Imagine my surprise when every DualDisc I attempted to rip (Switchfoot, Bruce Springsteen, Rob Thomas, Ben Folds, The Wallflowers, Oasis, David Gray) in iTunes was read and successfully ripped.
So I wonder this- is it as much a problem with older Superdrives not being able to read the thicker discs as anything else?
Or am I an anomaly

HT1473 Do iMacs (2009) have a problem with copy protected CDs?

Do iMac (2009) have a problem with copy protected CDs? My iMac keeps ejecting new (2014) George Harrison (Apple years) CDs I bought.

Sorry, I should have been clearer. My iMac is not recognising the 2014 pressing of George Harrison's apple year CDs, I can't get them to play (let alone try & copy them). The CD is accepted in the drive, it reads the CD & then ejects it. I suspect that the CDs are copy protected, although I do have earlier (e.g. from 2004) copy controlled CDs that the iMac will play. Is there a known issue with iMacs not playing copy protected CDs?
My copy protection suspicion is based on a user posting on the George Harrison website, there is nothing on the CDs that state they are copy protected.
NB CDs play ok on CD players & also on a windows laptop.

Copy control CDs

I've just bought an iPod Nano and am having no luck getting some of my copy-protected CDs (bought before I had the iPod) to import into iTunes.
Looks like some other people have a problem with this too - is there really no solution?
I heard that if Apple are e-mailed, they can send out a "patch" to override the copy protection. Is this right and if so does anyone have the e-mail address?

Some record labels may provide such a patch, but not Apple. Check out the record company's site for more information.
Some copy protection schemes can be defeated by holding down the Shift key when you insert the CD. Keep it down for about 10-15 seconds, or until the CD stops spinning if you can hear it. Some other schemes actually install software on your system to help stop access to that company's music (shame on them).
A good general rule to follow - always hold down the shift when slipping in a new music CD for the first time. If you can read it - rip it.

Copy protected?

i've put some dvds on my iPod using the ImTOO converter and they've all worked fine except for my Green Day-Bullet in a Bible DVD. it copies it, but the playback is slow and there is a heavy static on the audio. I've heard of copy protected CDs that sound funky when you import them to the computer. Could that be what this is? Is there any way around it? I paid for the **** thing Warner Bros.!!!

You could record the audio direct from your hi-fi. There are a number of Mac compatible software applications for this. Personally I use Sound Studio which you can download from felttip.com and try it before buying. It's very easy to use and will save in AIFF, AAC and MP3 formats any of which can be used in iTunes.
In addition to the software you'll need RCA to 3.5 mm audio plug cables to connect the Tape Out sockets of your amplifier to the audio inputs of your computer.
You can use this method on LP, Cassette as well as on Copy Protected CDs that won't play on your computer.

HT1473 It seems like many commercial music CDs won't import into iTunes (copy protection?), so you can only play them from the disc, not your other devices. Am I missing something?

More and more commercial music CDs won't seem to import into iTunes - they just spin, falter, and spit out. I would think I had a setting wrong except older CDs load with no problem. I'm guessing there's copy protection on the newer ones, which seems unfair if you want to, say, buy a CD that has bonus material not available via iTunes (and then have to buy the regular material again on iTunes). Is there a way around this? An easy fix so I can keep buying CDs when I want to? I know it's a technology that's on the way out, but it's not gone yet.

Audio CD copy protection is relatively rare. I doubt its use is on the increase as it would be just one more nail in CD's coffin. On the few occasions I've bought CDs that won't rip I've gone straight back to the store for a refund. If the drive is attempting to read at max. speed it might help to force it to read slower (if indeed you have that as an option) and it may help to switch the error correction mode.
tt2

Fillable forms question - FrameMaker to PDF - Without losing copy protection options

Hello,
I'm looking for a solution that will allow us to integrate fields in a Chapter Review-style question area where users can comment their answers (instead of using StickyNotes). It must disallow printing/copying etc to meet content protection requirements. I've dug through all of my options and can't seem to find any viable method without allowing the "Edit Content" option which allows users to copy the content.
We're currently using FrameMaker 9 but will be jumping to TCS5 soon.
As an example, we would want something like the following question, which exists in a FrameMaker document, to be commented on:
2. Which DID/DNIS mapping is recommended for mapping a single extension?
Thank you in advance for any assistance with this.

> It must disallow printing/copying etc to meet content protection requirements.
ebook format copy protection is largely an illusion. Leaving aside the availability of euphemistically named "password recovery" software, the widespread availability of low-cost (often bundled free) OCR software means: If you can see it, you can recover the text, unless it's heavily CAPTCHA'd.
Even if the user is blocked from reading the computer's frame buffer (i.e., prevented from using the PrintScreen key on Windows), most cell phones now have cameras with more than sufficient resolution for full text recovery. Some users even know how to turn off the flash .
If the supposedly eyes-only document is available on the web, I would not be the least bit surprised to learn that one or more search engines has already OCR'd and indexed every word in it (you can be sure that the NSA's has).
Managers asking for copy protection need to realize that they are making the authoring task much harder for little benefit, and often creating pointless annoyance for end users. Copy protection might briefly deter casual copiers, but is no obstacle at all to anyone the least bit tech savvy.
If copy prevention really matters, each copy of the document needs to be computer-generated for the specific licensed end user, with user-customized, easily traced content.
All that aside, and assuming management can't be dissuaded on the copy protection issue, does TimeSavers support insertion of form fields while preserving security settings?

How can I copy protect a Labview application?

We have a high value Labview 7.1 application that we want to copy protect. Are there any third party software solutions available that work with Labview and provide hardware locked copy protection? We want to prevent a single license key from being shared to allow installation of our application on multiple machines.
We looked into Software Passport / Armadillo but Software Passport does not support Labview. We would prefer to use a third party solution as opposed to coding something ourselves. We are not experienced with writing software security applications but if third party solutions are not available I guess we'll need to get our feet wet. Thanks.

I can imagine that a direct API implementation might be better.
My personal experience of such implemtnations has been that under these circumstances it is critical that: -
The implementation is solid.
Trust and security are correctly established.
It has been my experience that the above are quite difficult to assure. Where it works the EXE approach is probably better although the exposure to an attack by a sotware kit might be greater.
The above are why I indicated my alternate technique, not using a donlge but my own system. It is almost certainly weaker than a commercial implementation in some possibly many ways. But has the advantage that I change the implementation and techniques and whoever wants to access it has to start from zero. There are no kits because there aren't a million copies available.
I guess the right thing to do is to issue a challenge............perhaps with a reward........
But my experience of encryption is that it can always be broken by someone somwhere. The real questions are by who and when.
Message Edited by Conseils on 11-03-2007 12:07 PM

Copy Protection Error when doing a system recover - Satellite C655

I have a satellite c655 S5206. The computer seemed to have a virus as it would lock on windows and eventually wouldn't boot. I tried using the system recover option built in but it didn't work so I ordered the disk from Toshiba. When I tried to use them I got an Error 0x80030309 copy protection error. I though it was a corrupted or bad hard drive so I ordered a new one but I still get the same error when trying to install disk 1 of the system recovery process. Any help or explanation would be helpful. Thanks

Hi Models may differ in the way you use your recovery discs. You should read your user manuel to find out how to use these discs. Here's the basic way.
Using Recovery CDs / DVDs / Media
If you have created recovery DVDs/media for your system, you can restore your system from such media, if necessary. For example, if your original internal storage drive fails, you can restore your system to a new internal storage drive from your recovery DVDs/media. For instructions on creating recovery DVDs/media, see the How To: Understanding System Recovery Options + Creating / Purchasing Recovery Media article.
IMPORTANT: The recovery process deletes information stored on the internal storage drive. Be sure to save your work to external media before executing the recovery.
To recover your internal storage drive from recovery DVDs/media:
Make sure your computer is turned off.
Do one of the following: If your recovery files are on DVDs, insert the first recovery DVD into your optical disc drive. If your recovery files are on a USB flash drive, connect the USB flash drive to your computer.
Turn on your computer. When the initial TOSHIBA screen displays, press the F12 key on your keyboard. The boot menu displays.
Using the arrow keys, select the DVD option or the USB Flash option, depending on which type of media you are using, and then press the Enter key.
A warning screen appears, stating that when the recovery is executed all data on your internal storage drive will be deleted and rewritten unless the “Recovery of Factory Default Software with user’s data” option is selected. Click Yes to continue.
When the Toshiba Recovery Wizard opens and the “Selecting a process” screen displays, select Recovery of Factory Default Software, and then click Next.
On the next screen you may have recovery method options. The default and recommended method is to Recover to Out of Box state.
Follow the on screen instructions as you navigate through the system recovery steps.
The laptop will restart multiple times and install the needed components.
I Love my Satellite L775D-S7222 Laptop. Some days you're the windshield, Some days you're the bug. The Computer world is crazy. If you have answers to computer problems, pass them forward.

Client, Victim of Piracy, Wants Copy Protection Against ALL forms of copying

I have a client who produces instructional videos, and due to his fame and demand for these videos, the traditional DVDs have been pirated and he stopped production this year upon discovery.
This summer, his manager talked him into doing the videos again, but this time only releasing them online, through his web site, using heavy copy protection, perhaps something like Artiscope. While this can thwart most digital copying, my client also wants to prevent copying with a camcorder off the screen. I don't believe there is currently any rendering technology that can do this, and Googling the topic found nothing but encrypting against digital copying.
So my question is whether anyone knows of a company that makes a product that causes video to be viewable to the naked eye, but not recordable with a camcorder?
I have been thinking about ways to implement this myself, and my thoughts are along the lines of the methods used to protect checks (microprinting) and currency from copying. The protection results in a severely degraded copy, perhaps revealing a watermark, when the copying resolution is not the same as the original printing.
For a video, something like a 50% checkerboard matrix of pixels with the video and another with reversed video colors, where the video could be viewed normally, but the slight blurring of a camcorder lens would blend the pixels together and result in a grey solid area instead of video. Obviously there is a fundamental flaw with this, in that the naked eye would see a confusing image, even if it could decipher it, but I'm bringing it up just to show you what direction my thinking is taking on this.
If it is possible, and there is a product, my client wants to know where he can get it and how much it will cost. If not, I need a credible source to state that such technology is impossible in the current state of the art and that he's wasting his time with any such efforts.
So what do you embedded video experts think? Is there tech on the horizon that can address camcorder copying AND encryption? Or will this be way too far in the future?

As far as I know you can't prevent screen capturing (In almost all cases), I think he really needs to understand that when people are determined to steal it, they are going to do it.
The only thing I know of that can even come close to being able to prevent using a camera to record something (then being able to actually watch the recording) is "cinavia". It can also detect if you try to screen capture it (then play it back) and it also can detect if you encode it to another format. Basically when you try to play it back it checks for differences in audio and if it detects it then it stops playing.
Here is a article that explains it go towards the bottom to see how it stops using camcorders. The catch is though it only actually works when the media is attempted to be played back on devices that support it's tech. Which at the moment isn't much, except PS3's and some Blu-ray players.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5693/cinavia-drm-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-blu rays-selfdestruction/3+
I'd really recommend checking out that entire article.
Basically though as far as I know I don't think you'll actually have a chance at being able to use this option, because I think you probably would have to spend silly sums of cash to do it. Someone else here might have more insight than me about this though.

SIMS 2 not working because of copy protection?

I have just bought the Satellite M60 Notebook which should have everything requested to play The Sims 2. I installed the program but when I want to play, a window appears "This program has caused an error and is shutdown". I read on another page that this may be because the DVD-Drive has a copy protection and shuts off the game.
Is that the case? I have legally purchased and paid for the game and am really annoyed that it doesn't work. Is there a patch or something to avoid this? I have the newest direct x version.
It is the only game I play but what when my kids want to play a game and the DVD-drive shuts down my legal products? I am not at all satisfied with the drive anyway because it is loud, slow and does not recognize all of my CDs and data-DVDs.

Hi
You suggest that this drive doesnt recognize the CDs and data-DVDs.
I wonder how did you install this game (program) on the notebook if the drive cannot recognize the medium?
However, I dont think that the problem with your game occurs because of the drive copy protection. I have never heard about such protections on the Toshiba notebook drives.
In my opinion the error message This program has caused an error and is shutdown" occurs because of the software issue. I think you should ask the game manufacturers for support. Maybe he knows more about the own product error messages.

DVD +Copyright/copy protection

I am a sports videographer. I use Adobe Premiere Elements 2.0 to edit and burn game dvds for my customers. My customers are telling me that they are unable to take clips off my dvds to create highlight dvds or video files to send to college coaches on the internet because my dvds are somehow "copyright protected" or copymaking proof signal embedded or whatever the technical term is for what is keeping them from achieving their project. I am not wittingly clicking on any feature to make this happen on purpose. I tried to find the problem and solution in the manual but could not find anything. I hope I am describing my dilemma correctly. Is there a way to disengage this feature so that my customers can do anything they want with the footage on the dvds I make for them? Thank you for your help.
TMR

Welcome to the forum.
As ATR states, PrE cannot create a DVD-Video with Copy Protection. No burned DVD-Video can have Copy Protection, as such, but only replicated DVD's, and PrE is not capable of producing such material, even if one is going to a replication house. That is not the issue here.
Now, are you providing the clients with DVD-Video (with the VIDEO_TS folder structure, to be played on a computer with DVD software, or from a set-top DVD player hooked to a TV), or are you providing DVD-Data discs, where you are just Copying the AV files to a DVD disc, for distribution? The discs would look the same, but have different folder structures burned onto them.
How are your clients trying to extract the files? With a DVD-Video, the media files will be in a VOB container, and those might need to be ripped from the DVD-Video, to be used. PrE can do that ripping, providing that the DVD-Video is 100% DVD-compatible. The VOB's created by PrE should be 100% DVD-compatible. Not all NLE (Non Linear Editor) programs CAN Import and work with VOB's. In those cases, other software is needed to rip the MPEG-2 DVD AV files from the VOB containers, to Import and edit those. This might mean an additional step for the clients, but that will depend on the software that they have access to, and might differ, client to client.
As a test, though limited to PrE, I would take one of your DVD's, Copy the VIDEO_TS folder to an internal HDD, then Open a New Project in PrE (NTSC, or PAL DV would be the desired Project Preset, and either Standard 4:3, or Widescreen 16:9, depending on which you shot), and then Import the VOB's into that Project. Do you get any errors? Remember, that will ONLY tell you, if you have created the VOB's, such that PrE can Import those. Depending on the clients' software, they might, or might not be able to use the VOB's directly.
Good luck, and sorry to add more questions to ATR's, but the answers to all, might tell the story.
Hunt

DRM/Copy Protection for VODcasts?

My client is interested in creating some proprietary, branded instructional films to be sold as VODcasts for download from his site and subsequent loading on to iPods.
This simple question is can the VODcasts be copy protected so they cannot be shared? Obviously, the ability to share them would decrease the sales potential.
I don't have a clue. My instincts say there probably is not any way to protect them...for now.
MS

Hey moving still,
ok, depending on how you will deliver the muxed VOD file, is what type of protection the file will have.
for example, the tradional *.ts VOD files cannot have DRM, but can have metadata tags.
*wm or *.avi can have DRM, but that is more for web, in windows.
since you are asking in an apple forum, and plan to upload to iPods, then the you can only add metadata tags, not DRM, unless you want to watermark your video (which i doubt).
if you want to load iPods, then you will have to create *.mp4 files, and not *.mov.
i just recommended this beta software that will let you add very specific metadata tags, with copyright info (although they dont have an experiation or time limit for the file) that CANNOT be altared in iTunes, for example.
http://home.comcast.net/~lowellstewart/lostify/
freeware, that is in the beta stage like i said. but i have already delivered *.mp4 files that my clients loved!
this is probably as close as you can get to copyright, not copy protection.
unfortunately, the files will still be able to be shared.
i have found nothing about the technology that the iTunes store has that has a limit of the machines that can play the file. trust me, i have searched
Mikey M.

Sony (Columbia Records) copy protection

I grow tired of waiting for Kate Bush's Aerial to show up on iTunes. I bought the two CD pak at Best Buy. I never connected Columbia with Sony, so I didn't give it a second thought. I launched iTunes on my Windows XP Professional (SP2), the import process continued without warning. No software was downloaded to my machine, so I thought I was golden. Until I looked and saw that every other song was 3K (or 739:00 minutes long in iTunes). I made several attempts to import the CDs all fail. However, I was able to import into iTunes on my iBook G4 without failure. All tracks converted flawlessly. Sony and Apple better get their act together or the next revolution will be televised... on an iPod.

Kate Bush is on the EMI, not Sony, label.
For what it's worth, I successfully imported Aerial into iTunes without any problems.
The only "copy-protection" on the EMI Canada release of the record was the following notice on the back of the CD's booklet:
This recording and artwork are protected by copyright law. Using Internet services to distribute copyrighted music, giving away illegal copies of discs or lending discs to others for them to copy is illegal and does not support those involved in making this piece of music - including the artist. By carrying out any of these actions it has the same effect as stealing music. ...

Zen micro - "unable to copy protected track" when i try to copy music back to

I've had a zen micro for a couple of years. love it, and have spent hours copying my cds across to it; making playlists etc?just recently the player has started going wrong; not working; freezing. Am getting scared and thinking about getting a newer model. problem is that I have got all my music on the player now and have got a new pc since I loaded most of the tracks. I have tried to copy the music back from the player to my pc but I always get the message "unable to copy protected track". Is there anyway round it's? what does this mean?I don't want to have to start again loading all the music up from cds - it's already taken bloody hours, esp putting the playlists together.

markpilks,
Those audio tracks are protected with DRM protection. The protection disallow them from syncing back to a computer. Did you rip those audio tracks from Windows Media Player? If you did, you probably didn't disable the Copy Protect Music option and thus all WMA audio tracks you ripped will have this DRM protection.
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