Copying OS9 fonts to OSx

Sorry if this isn't the right place -- yes, I'm a newbie here.
Is it possible to copy fonts that we had available on my old machine (OS9) to my new Mac Mini (OSX)?
If so, How?
Thanks.

Can it be as simple as copying the old font files to the /library/Fonts directory on the new Mac!?!
If so, that's great!! I can then retain my investment (as much as possible) and keep on using the fonts that I've always used (without having to re-purchase or find similar ones).
Moving the files between systems is not a problem as I already have a network between the two computers (and yes I could burn a CD if the wire broke).
My concern/question regards the steps or procedures for exporting/packaging the fonts on the OS9 G3 then importing them in to the OSX mini.
Mac Mini Mac OS X (10.4.6)

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Okay - Ya' all be gentle. Remember - there are no
STUPID questions. I'm running a new G5 but have lots
of earlier stuff and a very large file of FONTS on my
old - very old - G3 - system 9.2. Classic seems to
be running fine but the fonts available in the
classic environment are very limited. I thought I
would just copy my fonts into the system 9 - System -
Fonts folder. I'm wrong!
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