Correct order to learn Adobe CS4 programs?

I'm new to graphic design, I have all the Lynda tutorials I need so I want to know the correct order in which I should learn the CS4 suite Programs.
For example - am I supposed to start with Photoshop, then Illustrator, then ??? (you get the idea)

Oh sorry I was pretty vague in my post, let me expand a little.
I have Adobe CS4, I would like to work in commercials making, maybe start a graphic design studio on the long term. On the short term maybe work in special effects or animation, and I also like to create websites but I don't know the graphic tools yet.
So looking at this in a medium-long term how should I start learning the programs, since Adobe covers most of the tools for all this kind of thing, and I would like to know most of them, maybe I won't be the best at any of them until I found the one I need to use the most depending on the goal I'm working for at the moment.
You have to start somewhere and from there try to go up, so I started with Photoshop for graphic manipulation and retouching, so any advice on the matter would be helpful.

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Adobe CS4 crashing computer, Please Help!

Last week I purchased a refurbished Macbook Pro from Apple, spent the weekend transferring all my files over so I could be ready for work this week. I made sure to do a clean install of Adobe CS4, rather than pulling it over from my old computer with Migration Assistant. I went through and updated everything I could. Even so, my computer has completely crashed 4 times today while working in Adobe CS4 (screen goes completely black, have to hold down the power button to restart). I usually have Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, and Bridge open at the same time. This time I was working in Illustrator, placing an image when the computer screen went black. Below is part of the crash report
+Interval Since Last Panic Report: 1266 sec+
+Panics Since Last Report: 3+
+Anonymous UUID: 8858D8B0-4426-40A5-BB01-7EED128AEFC2+
+Mon Jul 26 16:25:41 2010+
+panic(cpu 0 caller 0x9ca5b1): NVRM[0/1:0:0]: Read Error 0x00000100: CFG 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0xffffffff, BAR0 0xc0000000 0x7eb57000 0x0a5480a2, D0, P2/4+
+Backtrace (CPU 0), Frame : Return Address (4 potential args on stack)+
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From my research, I thought that Adobe and Apple had straightened everything out with Snow Leopard and CS4, but it doesn't seem so for me. Is there anything I can do here to fix this issue? Just FYI, I did try to use the migration assistant from my old macbook pro (OS 10.4, Core 2 Duo 2.16ghz) and it would freeze with 22 minutes left. I ended up going in and having to delete the username, and manually pull over the files I needed from my old computer. I've always had good upgrade experiences with apple products, but the past 4 days have been incredibly frustrating. Things seem to be far less painless than they used to be... Any help/advice is very much appreciated!

An update to the issue posted. 5 minutes after I got done posting this topic, the computer hard crashed again. I wasn't running any Adobe CS4 programs, only Safari. I was opening the top-sites page in safari when it happened. So now I'm officially even more confused and frustrated. Once again, here is the crash report. Tonight I may wipe the computer and just start over. I have no idea what else to do.
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+Anonymous UUID: 8858D8B0-4426-40A5-BB01-7EED128AEFC2+
+Mon Jul 26 17:13:23 2010+
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+Backtrace (CPU 0), Frame : Return Address (4 potential args on stack)+
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Setting preferences in Adobe CS4

Adobe CS4 programs will not display the folders on my computer when I try to save a file or perform a function. For example when using the Export function in Fireworks the drop down menu will not display the folders on my computer. The middle is missing. I have the top which has Save as: a folder is displayed; if I want to change the folder only the most recent folders used are displayed. So I have to save it and then go to Bridge and transfer the file to the folder I want. The three buttons are also missing at the top left: red,yellow,green in the Export Box. How do I change the settings?

If you are getting the message that PowerPC applications are no longer supported, there are some suggestions in this Adobe support article:
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/915/cpsid_91595.html
and this thread:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3190134?start=0&tstart=0
Something there should help.
If that's not what you mean, please post back and clarify what it is you are trying to accomplish.
Regards.
Message was edited by: Dave Sawyer

Using Dreamweaver CS5 with other CS4 programs

I want to purchase Dreamweaver CS5 for my work computer because it is the same version I have on my personal computer, and I want the two to be compatible. However, there are other Adobe CS4 programs on my work computer (InDesign, Illustrator, etc.). Will any problems arise by having Dreamweaver CS5 and other CS4 programs on the same computer? Any input is appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Are you intending to purchase a standalone version of Dreamweaver CS5?
Your work computer has probably got a CS4 Creative Suite installed (Design Premium CS4?).
You won't be able to upgrade Dreamweaver CS4 (from the Suite) on your work computer to standalone Dreamweaver CS5. It's not a valid upgrade path.
Tip: CS6 is due to be released very soon.
http://store.adobe.com/store/en_us/popup/offer/cs55_cs6_faqchannel.html
Although free upgrades from CS5 (purchased after 26 March 2012) are available, there is some paperwork involved. In your position, I personally prefer to wait until CS6 ships - unless CS5 is really the version you want, of course.

Adobe CS5.5 Design Premium - What is the most logical order to learn the programs in this suite?

Okay, so I want to become a real Adobe fan. I have CS5.5 Design Premium, I am running Windows 8, I have both a digital camera and video recorder and I have a Bamboo drawing tablet.
What would be the most logical order to learn the programs in the Adobe CS5.5 Design Premium?
Could you provide recommendations for using the online video trainings?

The most logical order is dictated by your own needs. Sorry to be so blunt, but trying to determine the order of which tools and workflows based on "I'm hip when I know Photoshop." or similar is bound to take you nowhere. Any of the individual programs has more features than even pros who use them every day will ever use. Everyone only uses the part relevant to get the work done. That being so, you could be watching tutorials for the next 5 years every day and still not have learned anything relevant. With that in mind there's realyl only two reasonable ways to learn:
a) Attend a structured course.
b) Come up with an idea for a specific project of your own.
A good place to start would be e.g. creating a photographic essay/ story - shoot some photos, edit them in PS, create a layout in ID, some logo in AI. Then you can look up specific tutorials for techniques as you go along.
Mylenium

I have a Mac computer and am trying to use a Photoshop CS4 program, but after accessing my desktop files through Adobe Bridge and clicking twice on any of the pictures to get into Photoshop, instead of entering photoshop I get an enlarged version of the

I have a Mac computer and am trying to use a Photoshop CS4 program, but after accessing my desktop files through Adobe Bridge and clicking twice on any of the pictures to get into Photoshop, instead of entering photoshop, I get on the lefthand side an enlarged version of the picture with red, yellow and green buttons on top. Any suggestions on what is wrong, or what can be corrected ?

And there is the problem. Your pictures are opening up in Mac's own Preview app.
Do you want all your jpegs to open in Photoshop, or only when you are in Bridge?
Selecting a program to open a certain file is called: File Type Association.
You can choose this at the MacOS level or the Bridge level.
Here's how to do both:
Either MacOS or Bridge has the wrong app associated with the jpeg. Let's start with MacOS
Close Bridge and Preview. Select one of your jpegs, and press Cmd i, That will bring up the file info window.
Go down to the "Open with" section of File Info.
Choose Photoshop CS4 and click on the Change All... button to apply this choice to every jpeg on your Mac.
Then open Bridge and see if double-clicking opens it in Photoshop.
Now that means all jpegs on your Mac will open in Photoshop. Maybe you don't want that.
You can set your jpegs to open in Preview when Bridge is closed.
When you open Bridge, there is Preferences > File Type Associations where you can direct Bridge to open the jpegs in Photoshop when you are viewing in Bridge.

Windows 8 - Photoshop CS5.1 crashes upon startup. Error message: "Adobe Photoshop CS5.1 has stopped working.A problem caused by the program to stop working correctly. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available."

Hello!
I've had the student version of the Adobe Creative Suite 5.5 Design Premium software for several years now.
When I received my Windows 8 computer I installed the software with no issue.
Last week when I tried opening Photoshop I get the following error: "Adobe Photoshop CS5.1 has stopped working.A problem caused by the program to stop working correctly. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available."
I deactivated and uninstalled the entire Creative Suite then reinstalled it. I am able to open the other programs, but still receive the same message for Photoshop.
What can I do?

I found the issue was with the Nik Filters I was using. The filters were messing with Photoshop's initializing. I uninstalled and reinstalled the filters and now Photoshop works like a charm.
It appears this forum is dead?!
Thankfully, I was able to troubleshoot on my own and figured out the problem...

I purchased Adobe CS4. I am now being asked for my serial number and when I put it in the program does not recognize it for Acrobat Pro 9 though it does for PhotoShop, Bridge and the rest of the suite. What can I do?

I purchased Adobe CS4. I am now being asked for my serial number and when I put it in the program does not recognize it for Acrobat Pro 9 though it does for PhotoShop, Bridge and the rest of the suite. What can I do?

Contact support if you have serial number issues. Otherwise start by checking this stuff:
Sign in, activation, or connection errors
Mylenium

Hello I have Adobe CS4 Illustrator, I do large format prints on a Roland SC-540 printer. I my gradients I get bad results. If I have a yellow to white gradient I get blue bands through out the gradient. Is there a setting in the program to change or is it

Hello I have Adobe CS4 Illustrator, I do large format prints on a Roland SC-540 printer. I my gradients I get bad results. If I have a yellow to white gradient I get blue bands through out the gradient. Is there a setting in the program to change or is it my rip software?

What color management settings? Color mode? This sounds like you are simply not using the proper profile.
Mylenium

I just paid for and downloaded the wrong version of Adobe Acrobat X Pro. I downloaded the Microsoft version and I have a Mac running OX Yosemite. How do I get a credit for what I ordered and then reorder the correct Mac version of Adobe Acrobat X Pro

I just paid for and downloaded the wrong version of Adobe Acrobat X Pro. I downloaded the Microsoft version and I have a Mac running OX Yosemite. How do I get a credit for what I ordered and then reorder the correct Mac version of Adobe Acrobat X Pro

If you ordered Acrobat via subscription, then you can use either Windows or Mac version. Just download/install the Mac version, then activate it with your Adobe ID.
If you purchased the perpetual license, then you need to Contact Customer Care bu chat or phone.

I just purchased a month-to-month subscription to Adobe Acrobat. But my computer has rejected the program three times so I'd like to cancel that order and exchange it for the Adobe Export program. I just need to edit some PDFs that have pencil marks on th

I just purchased a month-to-month subscription to Adobe Acrobat. But my computer has rejected the program three times so I'd like to cancel that order and exchange it for the Adobe Export program. I just need to edit some PDFs that have pencil marks on them.

Hi Susan,
Please let me know what exact error you get while editing PDFs as I might be able to help you.
If you still wantto cancel your Acrobat monthly subscription and get it exchanged with Adobe ExportPDF online service, then visit:
Contact Customer Care
Regards,
Anubha

Adobe CS4 Reinstall Issue...

Hello! I am attempting to reinstall CS4 on my machine at work. Initally, this was the problem I experienced (as posted over in the Digital Editions forum, which is where the Adobe tech support forwarded me to go post the problem):
Initially I experienced error 147:20 a few weeks ago, and I ran their LicenseRecovery.exe tool, and that did not clear anything up. So, then I ran the Adobe CS Cleaner Tool and uninstalled CS4, and then I reinstalled it on my machine. When I get to the serial number screen, I was unable to use the serial number provided by Adobe.
Okay, so now I have yet a new issue with the install...I was able to get the s/n to work (a day or three later); however, then a screen comes up saying that I need to load the installation DVD into the drive.
*!*Insert any desired expletive here*!*
Umm, hello? If I had not loaded the disc into the drive in the first place, I would not have been able to run the application at all!!!
If anyone can be of any assistance, it would be MUCH appreciated!
But this might be able to be overlooked because the com team is going to see about getting me a whole new machine (possibly this coming week).
Thanks for any response you can provide!

Programs requesting an installation disk depends on another Adobe program having installed a shared component from a different install source and storing wrong file path references. You will have to clean out all Adobe products, then start over with the install in the correct order/ order of priority. You may even need to delete the caps.db and other installer databases manually.
Important Directories
Mylenium

I am trying to install the cs5 upgrade on my new laptop, however, I cannot locate my cs4 program to install first. Am I out of luck?

I am trying to install the cs5 upgrade on my new laptop, however, I cannot locate my cs4 program to install first. Am I out of luck?

You do not need the older version installed in order to install the upgrade version, but you do need the serial number from CS4 to prove that you qualify for using CS5. During the activation process for CS5, after you successfully enter the CS5 serial number you will be asked to select the qualifying version (CS4) from a list and to enter its serial number.
If you registered CS4 when you originally installed it then you might be able to find the serial number available in your Adobe account online in the Products section.
Find your serial number quickly

If I update to Lion from 10.6.8, will Adobe CS4 "upgrade" work?????

I have Adobe CS4 from an "upgrade". Will these adobe programs work if I upgrade to Lion? Please, need an answer ASAP, so I know whether to make my next computer a Mac or a PC!!!! It is absolutely ridiculous that my friend, who has at least 8 PC computers ( including business computers) is able to use all features of icloud using Win7(which is 16 months old), and I cannot use it on my "Apple" antique using 10.6.8(which is only 9 months old) (2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo) for the same purpose.
I have never even had a PC, always an Apple product. Now I get slapped in the face, HARD. Apple just killed me for EVER buying another Apple computer, if I am unable to use ICloud with my computers which WILL run my adobe products. I also have an IMac Intel Core duo 3.06, two IPads and a new Iphone. and now I am done with Apple products I guess, if I have to update to Lion to use ICloud with a computer. Especially if Lion doesn't support my current expensive suite of CS4(UPGRADE), and other Apps. What on earth is Apple trying to do, phase out of computers totally? Have a relative who works for Apple, and no one can figure out why the company is so favoring the PC people. The only thing I can come up with is that Win7 is a far superior program to OS10.6.8, and is likely vastly superior to the current joke of "Lion", and the upcoming "Mountain Lion". At least Snow Leopards have some dignity, and honesty in their "live" form. "Lion" is aptly named after an animal widely known for killing and eating cubs of its own species. Mountain Lions are sneaky, creepy stalkers, who attack suddenly without notice, and kill animals off efficiently and quickly. Male Mt.Lions also are known to kill the young of their own species, even their own cubs. I guess these new OS's are aptly named, as they certainly are killing off those who have been faithful to Apple for so long.
I can buy a PC running Win 7, with the speed, programs, etc., that I need, for far less than a new, comparable Mac, which it seems will require me to purchase all new expensive Apps. (Adobe CS+), etc.
Why is Apple unable to either 1) offer its previously totally faithful adherants the ability to use its ICloud service using 10.6.8, which only came out 9 months ago (while Win 7 and Vista users can use the service easily), or at least make its new OS, work with expensive Apps owned by people, which work on 10.6.8, but will not work, so I hear, on "Lion" (and presumably not on "Mountain Lion" either).   Apple is/has turned into a predator of the worst sort, without a single thought or care about previously faithful customers.   WHY?
Also, off my wagon and back to my question; will an "UPGRADE" of Adobe CS4 work with the latest updated "Lion"? Thanks!

I went to that page. Basically, it didn't specifically answer my question, or I am too dense to find the answer. I understand that there are a few problems with Photoshop, which is the main use (of mine). I could live with what it says. I also found that there were problems with CS4, and using the brush tool, when I updated to 10.6.8. Found a fix to that by updating my Quicktime. Why that works, I have no idea. I am not a computer whiz, in fact at the other end of the spector, but read on a discussion that this updating of Quicktime worked, so tried it, and it did!
This community is a life saver for me. I live in rural Wyoming (I guess all of Wyoming is rural.....) and no one knows anything about Macs. All my problems have been solved by you great people! And I thank you !
My present concern is: I read somewhere else, that if my version of Photoshop, which is CS4, was purchased as an "upgrade", which it was, then maybe it will not upload to "Lion", as maybe the disk (upgrade), I have, may use Rosetta, which is NOT included in "Lion".   What I have read is that I would have to have a "new" (not an upgrade) version of CS4 in order for it to work with "Lion".   Anyone out there know the answer???? Photoshop users?????
Geniuses???? If you know, please help me out here. I love my Macs, but really am irritated that the friends I have tried to talk into buying Mac computers, but didn't, now can enjoy all the advantages of ICloud, with an older version of their computer program (Win 7 OR(!!!) VISTA, and I cannot !!!! Here I sit, with my 2 beloved Macs, both fairly new, 2 IPads, a new IPhone, and I am the one that cannot use ICloud?????? Was it in fact made for PC people, who have become Apple consumers through iPhone and iPad, and not made for the faithful, longtime Apple consumers???? HELP!!!!

Adobe CS4 Design Premium Compatability

Hello,
My daughter is required to use Adobe CS4 Design Premium by her School. I will have to buy a new laptop for this purpose. In this regard, I have few queries:
Most laptops come with Windows Vista Home Premium (64-bit) OS. Since the Adobe website states that this program is certified for 32-bit, I am not sure whether CS4 could perform perfectly on Vista 64-bit platform?
If the answer to the above is yes, then I intend to purchase a laptop with specs of Intel Duo 2 Core T6500 (2.1 Ghz 800 FSB 2MB Cache), 4GB RAM DDR2 800 MHz, display 1280 x 800, and 250GB 5400 rpm hard drive. Is this hardware sufficient to run CS4?
I am a layman as far as technology is concerned. I called up Adobe technical support 2 times: first time they said it wont work and second time they said it will work!!. I am totally confused. Since this means a significant investment to me, I request help and guidance from anyone on this subject.
Thanks,
AlokSaap

As you realize, the sky is the limit in terms of how you can configure a system. You could literally spend $10,000 on a new production PC but that certainly would not necessarily buy you any advantage unless you had particular needs that could take advantage of the extra juice that such a pricey configuration provides.
The problem with your request is that it doesn't say really what the typical user of these 2 to 3 new production PCs will actually be doing. For example, are they doing simple web page design in Dreamweaver with occasional entry into Photoshop to edit low resolution images for web display? Or are they jack-of-all-trade designers with windows open in InDesign, Photoshop, and Illustrator simultaneously dealing with graphically very complex and large files? Dedicated to graphics work or are there half a dozen browser windows plus Outlook (or some other e-mail client) open simultaneously?
Personally, I tend to “over-configure” on the basis that if I buy high quality systems not quite at the bleeding edge, but closer to the leading edge, I'll have a system that has a useful lifetime of at least four to five years although Adobe does “allow” its engineering employees' systems to be replaced every three years. I am currently running on a Dell Precision 5400 workstation (current model is 5500) with dual Xeon Quad Core 3ghz processors, 8GB of memory, two 15000rpm SAS (serially attached SCSI) 300GB disk drives, a DVD+/-R burner, gigabit Ethernet, Bluetooth, and an nVidia Quadro FX 1700 video card driving a Dell 3007WP 30" monitor (2560x1600pixels). I have a very pedestrian Dell keyboard, but a Microsoft 8000 Bluetooth mouse. I do run quite a bit of stuff on this system using it as the hub in my office for running backups of other systems (to a bunch of IEEE1394-attached external drives), running InDesign, Illustrator, and Photoshop often in parallel, running tests against a development copy of the Adobe PDF Print Engine running on my system, as well as having e-mail and browsers open at all time. This system is running Vista Ultimate SP2 64-bit. This is really overkill for most users.
What you can get away for your users with of course depends on the tasks they will be running per my questions in the second paragraph above. Without those answers, some generalities:
(1)     Unless you are doing heavy video work, you really don't need more than one processor. A single processor at approximately 2.5 ghz or better with either 2 or 4 cores will do fine in most cases.
(2)     Memory is relatively cheap and will enhance performance more than almost any other resource you can buy today. In conjunction with that, go for either Vista 64-bit or Windows 7 64-bit (stay away from XP 64-bit like the plague). Why? Even though only Photoshop currently has a 64-bit version that can take advantage of 64-bit processing on its own, the 64-bit OS supports more than 3GB of memory and as such allowing larger amounts of real memory, you avoid the tremendous amount of disk thrashing that goes on as part of virtual memory paging operations when a whole bunch of applications running concurrently are competing for a small amount of real memory. I personally recommend 8 GB of memory in conjunction with Windows 64-bit as a minimum, even on new notebook systems!
(3)     Disk performance is also key, especially if you are dealing with large data files. As such, 10000rpm Serial ATA or 15000rpm SAS (serially attached SCSI) drives make a tremendous, noticeable difference in performance. However, high performance disks are quite pricey, especially the SAS ones since it is now a limited, specialty market. (For new notebook systems, avoid anything other than 7200rpm drives - the difference in cost for a 5400 versus a 7200rpm drive is quite small now. I just bought a new 500GB 7200rpm drive to update my notebook system - the cost of the drive was less than $150.)
(4)     You don't need a smoking video card (those things that cost upwards of $500 to $1000) to support the Adobe Creative Suite unless you are doing extensive video work or playing high performance video games in your spare time. Typically, a mid-range video card that supports very high resolution (such as 2560x1600) will be fine. What you don't want, either on a desktop system or a notebook computer, is an “integrated display adapter” that shares memory with the CPU. Typically, such video support appears on low end desktop and/or notebook computers - avoid like the plague!
(5)     For desktop systems, I'm partial to large, high resolution monitors even though my vision is quite good. I'm dealing with graphic arts and I need/want both high resolution and real estate. Although these 30" 2560x1600 monitors are relatively expensive, with reasonable care, they can last for years. I have one such monitor that is now in its fifth year with no degradation of quality. Cost per day is very low to keep your eyes from going crazy and to make your work more efficient. Once you use one these babies, you can't go back!
(6)     No preference on motherboards. That decision is generally made for you if you order a system from a major vendor. I personally am not into build-it-yourself systems. Not that I can't build those, but quite frankly, my own time is worth something and my biggest problem is having enough time to do everything I want. I get no particular pleasure in DIY computer building.
More if you give me more specifics about the usage profiles for the systems you will need to purchase.
          - Dov

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