Correlation and ccBPM

Hello,
I'm having a scenario idoc->BPM->file. I will use BPM for bundling several idoc:s (of the same kind) togeter with the correlation object EDIDC-SNDPRN (Sender partner of the control record in the idoc).
Status of the ccBPM
I loop 3 times before I let the "multi-idoc" to be mapped in a transformation-step. But when i view the BPM-log I only get the last idoc passed to the transformation-step? I have noticed that the correlation in the container of each loop does not exist. Why I beleve this is the problem? Could someone confirm this, and does anyone now what I'm doing wrong?
We are on SP14.
Brgds
Karl

Hello,
I'm having three abstract interfaces in the BPM
1. HRTRPR_SINGEL this abstract interface is the receiver step interface (based on a standard idoc HRTRPR.HRTRPR01)
2. HRTRPR_Multi is an abstract interface used for appending HRTRPR_SINGLE into (based on a standard idoc HRTRPR.HRTRPR01), this interface is defined as a multiline container. The append is done in a container operation step.
3. HRTRPR_package is an abstract interface which is used in the transformationstep, this interface is an altered HRTRPR idoc where I have changed the occurance of the tag IDoc from 1:1 to 1 to unbounded.
The transformation step is using HRTRPR_MULTI (as source 1 to ounbounden) and try to mapp to HRTRPR_package.
I have used different correlation objects that I can correlate with, MESTYP and SNDPRN. But I guess I need to have some value from the incomming idoc:s that are the same?
Brgds
Karl

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Hi,
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To enable the communication between a synchronously calling business system (synchronous outbound interface) and an asynchronously called business system (asynchronous inbound and outbound interface), you can define a sync/async bridge in an integration process. You can only define one sync/async bridge for each integration process.
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Step
Use
Receive step to open the sync/async bridge
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Asynchronous send step
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Receive step
Receives the message from the asynchronously called business system
Send step to close the sync/async bridge
Sends, for example, the response from the asynchronously called business system to the synchronously calling business system
Performance Considerations
If you insert additional steps in the sync/async bridge, the synchronous time is increased correspondingly. If the time that elapses before the sync/async bridge is closed is too long, this can lead to problems.
Fault Messages
It is currently not possible to send fault messages back to the synchronously calling business system. If you want to return error statuses to the synchronously calling business system, you can define a field for an error indicator in the message that is sent to the synchronous interface.
Procedure
Define a Receive Step to Open the Sync/Async Bridge
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Example
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Demonstrating Use of Synchronous-Asynchronous Bridge to Integrate Synchronous and Asynchronous systems using ccBPM in SAP Xi - Use of Synch - Asynch bridge in ccBPM
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/weblogs?blog=/pub/wlg/1403 [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] - Use of Synch - Asynch bridge in ccBPM
I am not able to do a end to end scenario...using this ....So could any one give me a step by step guide for the syn-asyn Bridge.
And also step by step for correlation...
Please help me in this regard....
<Moderator note: thread locked. I moved your last post to XI, please do not post duplicate questions>
Edited by: Mike Pokraka on Jul 7, 2008 1:00 PM

Regarding Sync-Asyn ,I have gone thru these blogs...
Demonstrating Use of Synchronous-Asynchronous Bridge to Integrate Synchronous and Asynchronous systems using ccBPM in SAP Xi - Use of Synch - Asynch bridge in ccBPM
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/weblogs?blog=/pub/wlg/1403 [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] - Use of Synch - Asynch bridge in ccBPM
I am not able to do a end to end scenario...using this ....So could any one give me a step by step guide for the syn-asyn Bridge.
And also step by step for correlation...
Please help me in this regard....
<Moderator note: thread locked. I moved your last post to XI, please do not post duplicate questions>
Edited by: Mike Pokraka on Jul 7, 2008 1:00 PM

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