Cost and account based copa

hi,
what is the difference for cost bases copa and account based copa?
thanks

In costing based COPA the values are captured at PGI where as in Account based copa teh values are captured at the time of Invoice.

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Difference Between Cost and Account Based COPA

Hi
What is the difference between Cost and Account based COPA from a BI perspective ( both functionally and technically)
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Rashmi.

Hi Rashmi,
Greetings.
There is lot of reading material available on forums and help.sap.com
For start you can try with this:
Link:[http://help.sap.com/saphelp_46c/helpdata/en/7a/4c37ef4a0111d1894c0000e829fbbd/content.htm]
Thanks
Sachin

Differences between Costing based COPA and Account based COPA

Hi,
I wanted to know the main differences between Costing based COPA and Account based COPA?
For which scenarios account based COPA used and for which scenarios costing based copa used.
please guide me
sateesh

HI
Costing-based Profitability Analysis is the form of profitability analysis that groups costs and revenues according to value fields and costing-based valuation approaches, both of which you can define yourself. It guarantees you access at all times to a complete, short-term profitability report.
Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing characteristic of this form is its use of cost and revenue elements. It provides you with a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting
Regards,
Vijayanand Sankaran

Costing Based And Account based COPA - Need Assistance

Hello All,
In our project, with no other option we are planning to implement both costing based and account based COPA. I have been told that it is not recommended by SAP because for every entry there will two line items, one in cost based and another in account based (Correct me if I am wrong). But I could not understand why it is creating 2 line items in COPA. - Please help to understand this concept with an Example.
Thanks
PM

Hi
Costing based and account based COPA serve the same purpose... analyze profitability of the product ....
Costing based COPA should always be preferred over account based COPA, as it provides greater flexibility, some extra features, some extra planning mechanism and faster reports
Following are the point of differences between Costing based vs. Account based copa (ABC)
1. Account based copa uses transaction tables (COEP, BSEG) and hence affects performance of CO transactions.CBC takes values from CE1XXXX to CE4XXXX tables. XXXX means Operating Concern name.
2. Estimated / Statistical values not possible in ABC, say, calculating frieght upon invoice on a thumb rule basis to have better view of profitability per customer.. no valuation strategy in Accounts based COPA..
3. Reports based on line items not possible in ABC.. possible in CBC.
4 Actual Top Down distribution only available in CBC not in ABC .
5. Revaluation of actual data to plan data is not available in ABC
6. No key figure schemes are available in ABC
7. In ABC, settlement cost elements are used to settle values to prof segments unlike value fields in CBC
8. Production variance / COGS accounts shud be defined as cost element in ABC.
System creates a document for each type of COPA as it stores values in different tables and what you can do with this data also differs like you can do TOP down in Costing Based Copa..
Hence, you will have two COPA documents always......................
Fot further clarifications .. please revert back..
Regards
Sarada

Differance between the Cost based costing and Account based costing

Hi,
What is the Differance between the Cost Based Costing and Account Based Costing ?

You can check sap note 69384
COSTING-BASED PROFITABILITY ACCOUNT-BASED PROFITABILITY
ANALYSIS ANALYSIS
OBJECTIVE
o profitability and sales accounting
o evaluation of market segments (for example,
customers, product groups, sales areas) and corporate
units (for example, division, sales organization) with
regard to their profit or contribution margins
o calculation of profits procedures
- cost-of-sales accounting
- interim and reconciled sales report
- periodic and transaction-based allocation
- Profitability Analysis on the basis of full and
direct costs
o posted and costing-based values o account-based values
o can be reconciled with FI for o always reconciled with
account groups (revenues, sales FI on account level
deductions, costs of goods
Note 69384 - Information: Account-based Profitability Analysis
manufactured, and so on)
DATA STRUCTURES
o definition of operating concerns o definition of operating
with fixed characteristics and concerns with fixed and useruser-
defined characteristics defined characteristics
and value fields
o cumulative storage by posting o cumulative storage by
periods and weeks posting periods
o storage in operating concern o controlling area currency,
currency (as of Release 4.0 also company code currency
optional in company code currency and transaction currency
if req.)
o user-definable summarization levels
FUNCTIONS
o transfer of profit relevant o transfer of profit-relevant
business transactions from SD, FI activities from SD, FI, CO, MM
CO, MM (revenues, sales deductions (revenues, sales deductions and
and costs organized by value fields) costs organized by accounts)
o Derivation of characteristics from master
data or using derivation rules
o Realignments also for data that is already
posted
o Valuation
(Costs of goods manufactured, imputed
costs and sales deductions)
o sales and profit planning o profit planning
- flexible layout - flexible layout
- periodic distribution - periodic distribution
- valuation, revaluation - forecast procedure
- forecast procedure - top-down distribution
- top-down distribution - simulation
- simulation
o profit analysis by means of 'interactive drill-down
reporting'
- Report Painter
- object list/ranking lists, database schema
- drill-down
- key figure systems
- flexible hierarchies
- navigation between reports
- exception reporting
- ABC analyses
- Exporting (Excel, Winword, Mail)

Reconciliation of costing based COPA and account based COPA

hi experts,
I want reconciliation statement of A/c based copa and costing based copa through SAP. we have not configured any account based copa reports. now we are manually doing the reconciliation. Please tell me the configuration.
Thanks & regards
jay

HI
Costing-based Profitability Analysis is the form of profitability analysis that groups costs and revenues according to value fields and costing-based valuation approaches, both of which you can define yourself. It guarantees you access at all times to a complete, short-term profitability report.
Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing characteristic of this form is its use of cost and revenue elements. It provides you with a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting
Regards,
Vijayanand Sankaran

COPA Costed and Account based

Hi Experts,
I have running In BW, PA Costed based, and now I need activate PA accounted based extractor.
a) does somebody have any doc or how-to papers, specific about COPA Accounted?
b) can will appear any issue or problem about my current PA costed based loads?
c) how can I see with pa model (costed or account based) is running in the R/3 instalation?
Thank you in adavance!

Hi,
Costing-based Profitability Analysis is the form of profitability analysis that groups costs and revenues according to value fields and costing-based valuation approaches, both of which you can define yourself. It guarantees you access at all times to a complete, short-term profitability report.
Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing characteristic of this form is its use of cost and revenue elements. It provides you with a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting
Hope this helps
Regards,
Aparna

Costing based and account based

HI All
Kindly let me know difference between costing based copa and accounting based copa with examples
Thanks & Regards
Phaneendra

Two forms of Profitability Analysis are supported: costing-based and account-based.
Costing-based Profitability Analysis is the form of profitability analysis that groups
    costs and revenues according to value fields and costing-based valuation approaches,
    both of which you can define yourself. It guarantees you access at all times to
    a complete, short-term profitability report.
Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in
    accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing
    characteristic of this form is its use of cost and revenue elements. It provides you with
    a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting.
You can also use both of these types of CO-PA simultaneously.
(courtesy: help.sap.com)
It is strongly recommended, however, that you do not activate both types of CO-PA. The
major reason being is that you will have significant table size impacts. You must be careful
with account based CO-PA as this creates additional line items in the existing CO tables of
COEP (actual), COEJ (plan), COSP & COSS (summary records). Hence if you want to do any
cost center reporting, say, from any of these existing tables you will run the risk that
performance will be degraded by these additional and unnecessary records.
The only advantage of account based over costing based CO-PA is it's ability to
automatically reconcile back to FI, in much the same manner as you would reconcile
cost center accounting back to FI. However you don't have the flexibility in account
based CO-PA to perform valuations using product cost estimates etc. as you do in
costing based CO-PA. If the reason you were advised to turn on account based CO-PA
as well as costing based was to facilitate reconciliation, it is suggested that you look
at alternatives that won't have the same negative impacts that turning on account
based would have. In addition to the serious table space issues, it is not that easy to
turn on and off account based at will (especially in production).
Instead what you should look at doing is creating a series of reports that enable you to
reconcile costing based CO-PA back to CCA/PCA and FI, if this is required. The complexity
of the costing based functionality you have used will determine the complexity of the
reports that will be needed to reconcile back, but it can be done without turning on
account based CO-PA.

Account-based COPA and having Cost Center as Real Object in Sales Order

Hi,
We have recently activated account-based COPA and in our SO, we realized the Profitability Segment being populated- that is not a problem in normal scenarios.
However, in some cases, we would like to charge to a cost center instead of COPA. We have tried the 2 ways mentioned in the forum/on the web to include Cost Center in Sales Order:
1. Go to OVF3 t-code and configure a default cost center for the order reason
2. Change the SD Document Category under 'Define Sales Document Types' to 'I- Order w/o charge'.
However both ways only open the Cost center field but still populates the COPA. At accounting entries, cost center will become a statistical object and COPA, the real object- which is not what we want.
Is there a way to stop the auto-populating of Profitabiltiy Segment in SO when cost center is being entered?
Thanks very much in advance for any suggestions.
Regards,
Huimin

Solved by myself, with help of OSS Note: 44381 - Profitability Segment Not Required in SD Postings. Have a CO substitution rule to clear away the Profitability Segment number based on certain conditions. Thanks!

Account Based COPA Cost of goods sold and Revenue Split

Dear Experts,
We are using account based copa in a automobile company.
As per the requirement when a car is sold, depending on the customer request the car goes for a conversion. like adding Radio, Seat cover, etc
As per our setup we have different profit centers for vehicle and Parts(radio, seat cover etc) and in this case radio, seat cover, etc are the classes of the material vehicle(not separate material).
After the vehicle conversion there is a sales order raised which goes to profit center derived from vehicle material master.
As per the reporting requirement I need to spit the Cost of good sold and revenue by vehicle profit center and parts profit center for COPA reporting purpose
Is there any way to do this in standard SAP? Or I need an exit?
Appreciate your response and please let me know in case of any clarification.
Many thanks
Roy
Edited by: roy001 on Aug 4, 2011 4:52 PM

For those who may need an answer to this, our solution was the following:
1)       Created new types for SO, SO Item, Sched. Line, Delivery, Delivery Item, Billing type
2)       Created new Pricing procedure
3)       Created new movement type Y61/Y62 modeled after 601/602
4)       Mapped Y61/Y62 to account modifier ZAX.
5)       Mapped GBB/ZAX to the new account.
Benefits, they now have better view of the orders going inter-company. It is flexible enough to adjusting prices for intercompany separate from standard orders, even though for now it is a straight copy of cost. They are able to remove the sales/use tax, from the calculations. They are able to plan with these orders separated out. Plus, this will standardize their process for inter-company.
Hope this helps someone.
Cheers!
Rick

Activating Account based Copa in the existing Cost-based COPA

Hi Sap CO gurus!
Please advise me for the following issue.
Presently, My client using Cost-based COPA for segment wise reporting.( Already activated).
Now they wanted the reports in Account Based. Is it possible to activate the Account based now? Will the system allow us to activate or not?
If yes, What will be the implications? I want to know the pros and cons for that.
If not, How Can I edit the COPA settings( Operating concern)? Or shall I delete the Operating concern and create one new one?
Can you please explain the impact of each situation?
Thanks a lot in advance
Rama

Hi Joe
You can deactivate Account Based COPA, but you will have to do a thorough testing so that you are aware of the issues that can crop up
The IMG Menu is SPRO > Controlling > Prof Analysis
You will have to do a testing of how the open sales orders would behave... The open sales orders mean Sales Orders where PGI has been done, but billing is pending AS WELL AS Sales orders which are just created, but no Logistics movement (PGI) has taken place... You will have to do testing on both types of sales orders
- When you do PGI after deactivating the account based COPA, you may face error. Because, COGS GL account is a cost element in Account based COPA, where as in Costing based COPA, it is usually not a Cost Element
- Also do a billing from an open sales order and see if you get any error there...
Similar issue can arise during variance settlement also, because the variance account is not a cost ele in Costing Based COPA.
Test out the above scenarios and do share your experiences
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Ajay M

COST ELEMENTS IN ACCOUNT BASED COPA

Hi all,
1. I understand that all FI/GL accounts correspond to COST   ELEMENTS in COPA.
2. I also understand that there are NO value fields in an Account Based Profitability Analysis.So there is no VALUE FIELD to KEY FIGURE mapping.
3. My question is: how do we map each individual GL account into BI?
4. If we dont map each individual GL account, how do we report these accounts in BI?
This part of Account based has been very confusing. I have searched numerous posts, but they all have the same answers, none that explains how we handle the numeric fields of account based profitability analysis.
Cheers
TJ

You will have a KF lets say amount
In account based COPA your Cost and revenue elements will identify what does the value in this KF corresponds to.
your report will look something like below:
Ex:
Cost and Revenue Element #     Amount
800 - Revenues                     1,000,000
808 - Sales deductions             100,000
800 - 808 = Net Revenue            900,000
893 - Cost of Sales               90,000
231 - Price Difference              10,000
Total                               1,000,000
You may get amount from source system in 2-3 diff currencies like controlling area curr, transaction curr...
Sometimes range of accounts correspond to a value. Ex: Accounts 800-900 resemble revenue.
In such a case you may create Text node in hierarchy called revenue and use it in report (if no hierarchy available from the source system) or create selection in the report.,

Costing-accounting based COPA then back to costing COPA

Dear all,
I would like asking about costing based-accounting based Profitablity Analysis.
In case, I used and activate both costing based and accounting based profitability analysis. Could i back only use costing based again, even the both copa document already posted?
I am worried if system avoid untick the indicator of accounting based and back to active flag=2. It is important i ask in this forum because we only have 1 server for development and sandbox.
Best regards,
Dewi

Hi Dewi
You will get message (warning):
Message no. KE107
Diagnosis
Operating concern XXXX is set up for both forms of Profitability Analysis (costing-based and account-based).
You have set an active indicator for only one form. Note that no data will be transferred to the form of Profitability Analysis that you did not activate. If this form is activated at a later point, the data posted up to that point will be missing.
You can change active flag (customizing request) any time.
Dejan

PA - Costing-Based and Account-Based

Hi All,
Please tell me what is Costing based PA and Account-based PA.
Thanks
Vinu

Hi,
Costing-Based Profitability Analysis
This type of Profitability Analysis is primarily designed to let you analyze profit quickly for the purpose of sales management. Its main features are, firstly, the use of value fields to group cost and revenue elements, and, secondly, automatic calculation of anticipated or accrual data (valuation). The advantage of this method is that data is always up‑to‑date and therefore provides an effective instrument for controlling sales.
Account-Based Profitability Analysis
This type of Profitability Analysis enables you to reconcile cost and financial accounting at any time using accounts. In contrast to costing‑based Profitability Analysis, this type uses cost and revenue elements, which gives you a unified structure for all of accounting.
The system posts all revenues and costs to both Financial Accounting and Profitability Analysis at the same time and using the same valuation method. This means that the cost of sales is posted to Profitability Analysis at the point of goods issue.
Regards,
Eli

What is the purpose of account based COPA when we have FSVs

Hi,
I noted the information we can get from account based copa is exactly the same as the information we can get from financial statement version reports. As such why do we need account based copa for?
What info i can get in account based copa that i cannot get from FSV reports?
help.sap.com

Hi,
   Information gets passed to account based COPA if the relevant G/L account is a cost element.
   However account based COPA uses PA segments. This information contained in the PA segment can be viewed via KE24
   To test this post a billing document using account based COPA. After that go to KE24 for account based COPA and check the report. You will see all the details which would not be available in any FI report. Basically the information available for reporting makes it worth using for account based COPA
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