Cost Based COPA

Hello Experts,
I am reviewing this document and there seems to be a daily feed from R3 into a BW Cost Based COPA.
When I read Cost Based, the first question in my mind was that there much be other options and cost based was selected.
If so what are the other options which could have been selected, and what are the implications of selecting cost based over the others.
I will appreciate if you could share your thoughts with real life examples to help me understand what may be going on in R3 and what may be coming to BW, and why?
Please mention any helpful transaction codes on the BW or R3 side related to this explanation.
Thanks

Which datasources are you interested in...?
Depending on what your users need, two datasources come to mind.
0CO_OM_OPA_6 and 0CO_OM_CCA_9.
OPA_6 is for internal order based cost collection.
CCA_9 is for cost center based cost collection.
Both extract transaction level information from COSP, COEP, etc..... it just depends on how your company uses internal orders or cost centers for cost collecting.
For collecting costs, these are really very key datasources for determining budget vs actuals information.
Hope this helps...
/smw

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Please advise me for the following issue.
Presently, My client using Cost-based COPA for segment wise reporting.( Already activated).
Now they wanted the reports in Account Based. Is it possible to activate the Account based now? Will the system allow us to activate or not?
If yes, What will be the implications? I want to know the pros and cons for that.
If not, How Can I edit the COPA settings( Operating concern)? Or shall I delete the Operating concern and create one new one?
Can you please explain the impact of each situation?
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Hi Joe
You can deactivate Account Based COPA, but you will have to do a thorough testing so that you are aware of the issues that can crop up
The IMG Menu is SPRO > Controlling > Prof Analysis
You will have to do a testing of how the open sales orders would behave... The open sales orders mean Sales Orders where PGI has been done, but billing is pending AS WELL AS Sales orders which are just created, but no Logistics movement (PGI) has taken place... You will have to do testing on both types of sales orders
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- Also do a billing from an open sales order and see if you get any error there...
Similar issue can arise during variance settlement also, because the variance account is not a cost ele in Costing Based COPA.
Test out the above scenarios and do share your experiences
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I want reconciliation statement of A/c based copa and costing based copa through SAP. we have not configured any account based copa reports. now we are manually doing the reconciliation. Please tell me the configuration.
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jay

HI
Costing-based Profitability Analysis is the form of profitability analysis that groups costs and revenues according to value fields and costing-based valuation approaches, both of which you can define yourself. It guarantees you access at all times to a complete, short-term profitability report.
Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing characteristic of this form is its use of cost and revenue elements. It provides you with a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting
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We have at presently in ECC6, Cost based copa. Now we have to create Profit and loss, cash flow based on that..So I have few question belonging to same as below
1. Can we create Cash flow and Profit and loss based on Cost based COPA.
2. Can we create Cash flow and Profit and loss based on Account based COPA.
3. How can we report in BI based on cost based copa information, can anybody share their experiences/documents please.

Please check this document:
http://help.sap.com/printdocu/core/Print46c/en/data/pdf/COPA/COPA.pdf
Hope it helps.
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To activate costing based COPA while Account basedCOPA activated previously

Dear all,
I have a client which currently using Account-based COPA which activated 5 years ago. Due to requirement to analyse production variance by variance categories, costing-based COPA needs to be activated.
Can anyone tell me whether is it possible to activate costing-based COPA in a system which have Account based COPA activated 5 years ago. If yes, is there any guiding SAP notes on doing this. As I would like to know the impact of such activations
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Dear,
You can activate costing based COPA, for this use KEA0 and select your operating concern and select costing based COPA.
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Dont want COPA doc for credit memo billing in costing based copa

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Hi Sudha,
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1 Operating Concern for Account Based and Cost Based COPA

Hi,
We are using Operating Concern 3000 for Account Based and Cost based Profitability Analysis. However when i try to extract data from the account based Operating concern it gives me an error in extraction : error 09.
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Hi
Have you deactivated any of the characteristics used in Account based COPA
Check KEQ3 and you may have activated only for Costing based COPA
S Jayaram
Edited by: S Jayram on Dec 18, 2007 3:24 PM

Differences between Costing based COPA and Account based COPA

Hi,
I wanted to know the main differences between Costing based COPA and Account based COPA?
For which scenarios account based COPA used and for which scenarios costing based copa used.
please guide me
sateesh

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Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing characteristic of this form is its use of cost and revenue elements. It provides you with a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting
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Account Based Vs Cost Based COPA - Char Derivation

We're trying to implement both Cost based and Account based COPA at a client here.
I have some derivation rules maintained in KEDR.
When I'm trying to post a document in FI, the cost based COPA document is being created with the Characteristics populated correctly according to the derivation rules. However, in Account based COPA the characteristics are NOT getting derived.
Can some tell me if there could be something I've missed?
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Hi
Have you deactivated any of the characteristics used in Account based COPA
Check KEQ3 and you may have activated only for Costing based COPA
S Jayaram
Edited by: S Jayram on Dec 18, 2007 3:24 PM

Change COPA from costing based to account based

dear friends,
one of our clients is upgrading from 4.6C to ECC 6.00. as part of this upgrade they want to change the COPA from costing based to account based.
Whether this can be done?
If yes, how it can be done and what all precautions need to be take care of?
If no, what are the reasons due to which it should not be done?
thank you for the help.
bajee prasad

Hi,
Let me try to answer to get full points from you. It is a very tricky question.
You can add Account based COPA in addition to Cost based COPA. It is advisable not to delete Cost Based COPA.
Go to Tr. Code KEA0. In the Data Structure Tab, click the change button. Now you can tick the Account based type of PA.
Then go to Environment tab, click the activation button. System will run for some time and both the types of PA gets the environment. These changes are not transportable. You need to do it by opening the system. You can test this in your quality system and then try in Production. I caution that you need to take a backup of the system so as to meet any worst scenario. All the best.
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COPA Cost Based

Hi,
Are Value fields in the Operating Concern mapped to key figures in a cost based COPA?
Thanks

Summarization levels for an operating concern have the same function as aggregates for an infocube
CO/PA summarization levels are managed by the infocube, and always contain the same numbers as the infocube that they are based on.
Characteristics in CO/PA correspond to the characteristics in infocubes.
The value fields in CO/PA can be regarded as key figures with additional summarization in each characteristics
Line items in CO/PA can be compared to line items in the ODS

COPA : Accounting Based and Costing Based

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We are on ECC 6.0 and BI 7.3. Our customer is going to implement Accounting based COPA and Costing based COPA in ECC. We have a requirement to have both the Accounting based and Costing based COPA analysis available in BI.
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If we configure both type of COPA in ECC then Can we create both type of data sources also in ECC ? one for Accounting based COPA and one for Costing based copa ? If yes then do we need to have 2 infocubes in BI or one infocube with mapping of both the data source will work ? ... do please correct me or suggest me.
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In the PA module-
What are the implications with modifying the COPA field catalog in table v_tkef. That is changing a technical field (T) into a fixed characteristic or alternatively modifying the function module rke_external_data_get to allow technical fields to do the same functionality as B, S, U, or V.
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D- Dimension (characteristic)
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We are using Cost-based COPA and there a requirement to post actual and plan documents by cost element in PA. However Cost element (KSTAR) is a technical field in cost based COPA.
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COPA Cost based datasource

Hi ,
Please read the scenario given below:
One cost based DataSource is existing in ECC6.0, because of business requirements we have configured account based copa and created the account based copa DataSource on same operating concern. Now the problem is while enhancing the operating concern, copa consultant deleted few fields from the operating concern, that fields are part of the cost based DataSource . Because of that reason cost based DataSource is not working, the only way I know is to create new cost based DataSource with the available fields. the existing DataSource is delta one working based on time stamp management. If I create a new DataSource , is it possible to reinitialize delta from that time onwards( for example in production we have loaded data till yesterday with existing DataSource using delta update, next day onwards is it possible to load data using the new DataSource ).
If I create a new datasource it will work based on generic delta, but the previous one is working based on time stamp management
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Please give your inputs.
If any additional details is required, I will provide..
Regards
Nivas

Hi Sreekanth ,
Thanks for the update .
Coming to R/3 side Is it possible to build to COPA Datasources based on i.e 1) Account absed COPA Datasource and Cost based Datasource .
Presenty we are using Account based COPA datasource .
We are planning to configure Cost based COPA datasource in coming days .
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