Cost Elements in OKG2 (Result Analysis Version)
Dear All,
Can we maintain a Single Cost Element or Can we maintain Different Cost Elements for the Different purpose. What is the necessary we have to maintain the Cost Elements & At what level it picks cost. Can any body share some inputs on ths.
Regards
Hi Raj,
If you check the settings for RA version 0 for CO area 0001 you will find that a single cost element is maintained.
Based on your requirement you may also define different cost elements for different reasons...
eg: You want to track Imminent Losses separately... then you can maintain a different cost element for calculating and posting imminent losses similarly you may want to capture Rev. in Excess of Billing in a separate cost element.
You can create separate cost elements for
Capitalized costs, Reserves for unrealized costs, Reserves for costs of complaints, Reserves for imminent loss, Work in process.
As such based on the requirement you may decide to have a same or different cost elements maintained in here.
When you execute RA (WIP calculation) system will calculate the values and will make a posting to the cost elements maintained in OKG2.
Also you need to maintain Line Id for the cost elements you have maintained here in OKG5.
Regards,
Sameer
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The Results Analysis saves the Results Analysis data under secondary cost elements. These cost elements can be determined thru assignment to Line IDs in the transaction OKG4 (OKGA) u201CUpdate of WIP Calculation and Results Analysisu201D, or they can be determined in the definition of Result Analysis Version (transaction OKG2 or OKG9) in the section u201CCost Elements: Results Analysis Datau201D of the Extended Control.
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Procedure
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I am trying to add up the revenue using the Credit Indicator but am missing all RA Cost Element Accounts, i was curious if those accounts ever move into Credit.
CheersHi ,
You should check, if not done already, that there has been no
change to the customizing with regard to the "Write Line Items"
setting for the variance calculation.
This setting is not particularly recommended but I presume it is
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line items" on.
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What is the difference between the Cost element data in the result analysis where we maintian the cost elements Gl accounts in RESULT analysis version with the G/l accounts or cost elements in the Line ID updating.
We maintain both these G/l accounts where would the posting of the result analysis happen.Hi,
In the Line ID you need to maintain the GL Account range and posting rules for FI you need to maitain GL Accounts for respective Valuation methods.
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Hello All
My WIP calculation is working fine. KKAX is calculating WIP correctly at Actual Cost and FI Postings happening fine.
When I look at the Production Order -> Cost -> Analysis , I can see the WIP based against the 2 Cost Elements linked to my 2 Line ID's.
For example :
Line ID Cost Element
A 1
B 2
I can also see the 'Technical RA cost element' which we link in Result Analysis Version : OKG9 (for example : Cost element 3)
but the value is zero.
As I understand, SAP uses Cost element 3 only for internal calculation purpose and WIP is stored against Cost element 1 and 2 linked to line ID.
I want to know if my understanding is correct ?
If yes, then why SAP display's cost element 3 in Production order WIP field.
If no, in which scenarion I will ever see any value in cost element 3 against Production Order.
Best Regards
Edited by: Purohit Vijay on Nov 19, 2010 4:18 PMHI all,
As i understood with the above discussion is Secondary Cost element which i Maintained in OKG9 is for sap internal calculation purpose and we are maintaining P&L & BS GL Account in Posting Rules for Settling Work in Process (OKG8) which is to post an accounting entry in FI.
eg:- WIP dr
Inventory Change Work in Process cr
but i need clarity on updates(OKG4)Exactly which cost element we are maintain and what is the purpose. and like wise we are doing masking on ASSIGNMENT(OKG5).
kindly provide your valuable inputs for my clearing understanding for RA(WIP)
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I am configuring Result analysis related configuration to post WIP values to FI on period basis. I did following nodes configuration
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2. Define Result Analysis Versions
3. Define Valuation Methods for Result Analysis
4. Define LIne ID
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6. Define update for Result Analsysis
7. Define posting rules for Settlement to Finanacial Accounting
We have RA connection with Projects
After making all above configurations when we are performing KKA2 and CJ88, NO FI documents are getting posted and we are repeatedly getting message as there is no "Accrual" values.
We even not getting WIP values at KKA2, though we have eligble values at Project.
we need to fix that at high priority...
your inputs are highly appreciated..
Kindly let me know, if any further clarifications required on this.
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S. Habib Pasha.Hi ,
Based up on the above discussion did you executed any standard cost and revenue reports against the relevant WBS elements and verified that costs and revenue are flowing properly to the project ?
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KJ280 Message Results Analysis KKA1
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I am Trying to do a Results Aanalysis on one Serivce Order in KKA1 and it throws the following Error , I changed the status TECO, and changed the RA Key ,Just a try, but still gives the same Error Message, If anyone can Help me in this I really appreciate that.
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Order without revenue: Only RA types F and Z permitted
Message no. KJ280
Diagnosis
The order type of the order on which you are attempting to perform results analysis does not allow revenue posting.
In the results analysis version, you specified that work in process for this order is calculated separately instead of through results analysis for the sales order item or WBS element. This means that the work in process will be calculated through the results analysis key in the order until the order has the status DLV (delivered) or TECO (technically completed). Once the order has one of these statuses, the actual costs for the order are included in results analysis for the higher-level sales order or WBS element.
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If no results analysis key has been defined for WIP calculation, you must go into Customizing and change the valuation method of the results analysis key accordingly.Hi,
Plz check u r RA version. In the version check under calculate WIP or RA for section. I think in u r version there is tick box on Internal and service orders w/o revenue. In conjunction with this check which is more appropriate between first and last option in this section.
If last option selected, it wont allow if you have any revenues on your order. Then check u r valuation method statuses and u r order status.
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In SPRO - Project System - Revenue & Earnings- Automatic & Periodic
Allocation - Result Analysis - Edit result analysis key & version -
Maintain Result analysis version,
If, CO Area 1000 & RA Version 0 selected, system is not allowing cross-
company valuation check box activation due to "Transfer to Financial
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However if "Transfer to Financial accounting active" check box is un-
selected, system is allowing to save with option "cross-company
valuation" check box. But during KKA2, system is showing error due
to "version relevant to settlement" is selected.
Now the problem is that, if "cross-company valuation check box" is not
selected the system is not skiping steps as mentioned in screen.
Hence, enhancement KKAG0001 cannot be activated.
Kindly provide the solution.Do you have an OSS ID? There is a document to describe the setting of RA for IAS in service.sap.com/erp, access the sub-node of management accounting -> product cost accounting -> media library.
Or access the URL
[https://websmp206.sap-ag.de/~sapidb/011000358700006305122006E.PDF]
If you don not have any OSS ID, please reply my message.
Flex Yang
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