Cost of sales, SD and COPA

Hi everybody
I'm using cost based COPA, and I would like generate the cost of sales posting to COPA from the material document of post goods issue. Does anyone know how to do this?
(I know that the usual way is to use price condition VPRS, but that generates some consistency problems between COPA and FI).
Thanks in advance
JPT

Thank you for your input Ram.
The thing is, I've configured OKB9 so that the COGS account would be filled in with the segment. The problem is that, even tough the segment is filled in the material document, there's no COPA document created. If I create a similar document directly in FI, it creates a COPA document.
I'm also thinking about an alternative solution:
- When posting goods issue, I would post to a "unbilled goods issue" account;
- In the invoice, I would create a new pricing condition that would take the VPRS value would post to the cost of sales account and would clear the "unbilled goods issue" account.
For this second solution I would need additional customizing, exits and pricing routines, but I think it would work. The first solution would be far more simple (basically I would have the same consistency as in account-based COPA, and the additional functionality of cost-based accounting).
If someone has any previous experiences or inputs on these ideas, they would be largely appreciated.
Thanks!
JPT

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For those who may need an answer to this, our solution was the following:
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