Costing-accounting based COPA then back to costing COPA

Dear all,
I would like asking about costing based-accounting based Profitablity Analysis.
In case, I used and activate both costing based and accounting based profitability analysis. Could i back only use costing based again, even the both copa document already posted?
I am worried if system avoid untick the indicator of accounting based and back to active flag=2. It is important i ask in this forum because we only have 1 server for development and sandbox.
Best regards,
Dewi

Hi Dewi
You will get message (warning):
Message no. KE107
Diagnosis
Operating concern XXXX is set up for both forms of Profitability Analysis (costing-based and account-based).
You have set an active indicator for only one form. Note that no data will be transferred to the form of Profitability Analysis that you did not activate. If this form is activated at a later point, the data posted up to that point will be missing.
You can change active flag (customizing request) any time.
Dejan

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Hi,
Costing-Based Profitability Analysis
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Dear Experts,
My client needs material wise, customer wise, Sales Area-wise, region wise etc profitability report. The only way to achieve this is through COPA.I have confusion whether to go for Costing based COPA (CBC) or Accounts based COPA (ABC).
I am afraid of CBC because reports from CBC do not automatically reconcile with FI and I will have a life long task of explaining the difference to management. I have seen clients scarpping CBC because at the end CBC works on calculated values which cannot inherently tally with FI and soon management stops trusting CBC. Moreover Gross Profit level figures for each characteristics can be obtained straight from LIS instead of going for CBC.
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Hi..!
You can use either activate Costing Based CO PA nor Accounting Based CO PA.
1.Costing based CO-PA - it will be difficult to reconcile FI with CO PA as lot of time it will take to reconcile.
For this you need to do assessment - settlements and direct postings from FI-MM-SD to CO PA thru PA transfer structure.
You can find the Differences of FI -CO PA in KEAT t-code and based on the you can understand why it is showing difference (If any). This T-code will help you to reconcile.
2.Accounting Based CO-PA it is easy to reconcile and here the reconciliation happens between GL Account and Cost element level. So you wont get many issues while reconciling.
In Costing based CO-PA you can draw a report at COGS Level where as you wont get it in Account Based CO-PA.
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I intend to implement COPA for my customer, but only COPA account-based.
As my knowledge about COPA, costing based uses value fields instead of account as in account based.
But when i demo in client 800 (IDES), I realized that many diffirences between costing based and account based. It seem to be not only relevant to the value fields and account based.
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when i post an invoice (fb50) in FI, then click profit segment field. I can not find characteristics that i want to post to such as material group. And there is nowhere for choosing all characteristics in client.
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Is it possible? Which problems can I meet if i do not use costing-based?
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2. No break down of variance categories.
3. Create a Characteristic in KEA5 and add to operating conern in KEA0. KEQ3 is to define segment level characteristics. To improve system performance, you can also restrict the characteristics that make up the profitability segment.
4. When you add a characteristic to operating concern, then by default that characteristic is available at the time of document entry. We use characteristic groups to determine what characteristics appear in which order on the screens for assigning profitability segments in different business transactions. If no characteristic groups are defined, the user can enter values for any characteristic in the operating concern.
5. Account based CO-PA uses the same tables (COEP, COEJ, COSP, COSS etc.,) as used by overhead cost management, whereas costing based COPA has it's own tables. The definitions of profitability segments for both CO-PA sub-modules are stored in the same table, the CE4XXXX table (where XXXX = operating concern).
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Edited by: Pradeep kumar Athmakur on Dec 31, 2009 6:32 PM

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dear friends,
one of our clients is upgrading from 4.6C to ECC 6.00. as part of this upgrade they want to change the COPA from costing based to account based.
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Then go to Environment tab, click the activation button. System will run for some time and both the types of PA gets the environment. These changes are not transportable. You need to do it by opening the system. You can test this in your quality system and then try in Production. I caution that you need to take a backup of the system so as to meet any worst scenario. All the best.
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Costing based and account based COPA serve the same purpose... analyze profitability of the product ....
Costing based COPA should always be preferred over account based COPA, as it provides greater flexibility, some extra features, some extra planning mechanism and faster reports
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