CP7 SCORM 2004: When should success status be sent to the LMS?

I'm seeing success sent only on quiz passed along with completion status. However, I'd like it to be sent on one slide view, with Completion being sent on quiz passed.

I'm trying to make success trigger on slide one, because it is meaningless to our LMS. In our system, their forward progress is dependent on completion, which is set to "quiz is passed. However, I've noticed that I can't get success to trigger, even though it is set to one slide view, if the student leaves the lesson before they complete the quiz.
Also, we're having trouble getting individual reports for those abandoned sessions, and I suspect that if I can trigger "success" as I'm aiming to, we'll see those individual abandoned reports as well. Right now, a student can overwrite their abandoned attempt until they complete the session by passing the quiz.
If you could pass on the script to set success, I'd definitely like to give it a try.

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<langstring
xml:lang="x-none">LOMv1.0</langstring>
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</manifest>

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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?>
- <manifest identifier="tthree" version="1.3"
xmlns="
http://www.imsglobal.org/xsd/imscp_v1p1"
xmlns:xsi="
http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xmlns:imscp="
http://www.imsglobal.org/xsd/imscp_v1p1"
xmlns:adlcp="
http://www.adlnet.org/xsd/adlcp_v1p3"
xmlns:imsss="
http://www.imsglobal.org/xsd/imsss"
xsi:schemaLocation="
http://www.imsglobal.org/xsd/imscp_v1p1
imscp_v1p1.xsd
http://www.adlnet.org/xsd/adlcp_v1p3
adlcp_v1p3.xsd
http://www.imsglobal.org/xsd/imsss
imsss_v1p0.xsd
http://ltsc.ieee.org/xsd/LOM
lomStrict.xsd">
- <metadata>
<schema>ADL SCORM</schema>
<schemaversion>CAM 1.3</schemaversion>
- <lom xmlns="
http://ltsc.ieee.org/xsd/LOM">
- <general>
- <identifier>
<catalog>Adobe Captivate Course</catalog>
<entry>tthree</entry>
</identifier>
- <title>
<string language="x-none">tfour</string>
</title>
- <description>
<string language="x-none">min description
ML</string>
</description>
- <keyword>
<string language="x-none" />
</keyword>
</general>
- <lifeCycle>
- <version>
<string language="x-none">1.0</string>
</version>
- <status>
<source>LOMv1.0</source>
<value>final</value>
</status>
</lifeCycle>
- <metaMetadata>
- <identifier>
<catalog>test</catalog>
<entry>test 1000</entry>
</identifier>
<metadataSchema>LOMv1.0</metadataSchema>
<metadataSchema>SCORM_CAM_v1.3</metadataSchema>
</metaMetadata>
- <technical>
<format>text/html</format>
<location>.</location>
</technical>
- <educational>
- <typicalLearningTime>
<duration>PT0H0M</duration>
- <description>
<string language="x-none">Average length of time to
experience this
Adobe Captivate Project.</string>
</description>
</typicalLearningTime>
</educational>
- <rights>
- <cost>
<source>LOMv1.0</source>
<value>no</value>
</cost>
- <copyrightAndOtherRestrictions>
<source>LOMv1.0</source>
<value>no</value>
</copyrightAndOtherRestrictions>
</rights>
- <classification>
- <purpose>
<source>LOMv1.0</source>
<value>idea</value>
</purpose>
- <description>
<string language="x-none">min description
ML</string>
</description>
- <keyword>
<string language="x-none">Adobe
Captivate</string>
<string language="x-none" />
</keyword>
</classification>
</lom>
</metadata>
- <organizations default="tthree_ORG">
- <organization identifier="tthree_ORG">
<title>tfour</title>
- <item identifier="tone" isvisible="true"
identifierref="tone_RES">
<title>ttwo</title>
- <imsss:sequencing>
- <imsss:objectives>
- <imsss:primaryObjective objectiveID="PRIMARYOBJ"
satisfiedByMeasure="true">
<imsss:minNormalizedMeasure />
</imsss:primaryObjective>
</imsss:objectives>
</imsss:sequencing>
<adlcp:dataFromLMS>.</adlcp:dataFromLMS>
<adlcp:timeLimitAction>exit,message</adlcp:timeLimitAction>
</item>
</organization>
</organizations>
- <resources>
- <resource adlcp:scormType="sco" identifier="tone_RES"
type="webcontent" href="cap2 2004.htm">
<file href="cap2 2004.swf" />
<file href="cap2 2004.htm" />
<file href="SCORM_support/scorm_support.htm" />
<file href="SCORM_support/scorm_support.js" />
<file href="SCORM_support/scorm_support.swf" />
</resource>
</resources>
</manifest>
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