CPU running hot

Sorry guys to repost the same topic, but the original thread seems to have gone dead and I'd like to get some more information from you guys before I make another move like trying to RMA hardware. Original post here. https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=104304.0
The basics: CPU is running hot. ~60C +/- 3C at idle. I have done the following to try and correct the problem...
1. Replace both stock 37CFM fans with 94.5CFM Thermaltake fans.
2. Rewired the case so that no wires except SATA cables are in the direct path of air from front fan to rear fan.
3. Removed thermal compound from the stock Intel heatsink/fan and applied some Antec Formula 5 thermal compound.
Temps are still in the 60C area at first idle shortly after starting PC.
I just finished playing Quake 4 online for about an hour and temps were approximately 77C when finished.
I cranked both case fans up to 2800 RPMs (according to system information viewer) and opened the case. I even have the front of the case open so that the front fan filter isn't restricting airflow. I have been surfing the web with the case open and fans at full speed for 15 minutes and my temps are between 73C and 75C. The CPU fan is only running about 1400 RPMs.
I am not overclocking.
I am using System Information Viewer v3.19 to monitor fan speed and temps. Core Temp shows similar temp readings.
I am convinced that something is wrong whether or not it is the heat sensors or the CPU I am not for certain, but the heatsink is firmly seated, I am confident in that. I have checked several times. The heatsink is also slightly warm, but no where near hot to the touch. It barely feels warmer than body heat temperature. The computer has never turned off or been unstable. The air coming from the rear fan feels cool to my hand.
What would you guys do in this situation? I am hopelessly lost in trying to figure this out and I would like to get some good data before the return period has expired on my hardware. I have a Zalman 9700 cooler arriving on Friday, but from what I have read on this forum I don't see where the Zalman is going to make the life changing adjustment that it seems that I need. I have pics of the case in the original thread.
Thanks.

Hmm....
Sorry that I never noticed your first posts...
I will try to read them when I get a free min or two ...
I did glance at one of your pictures...
Ummm....
If you are using a matched set of memory they should not be in banks A and B as shown in your pictures...
you should have one in a green slot and another in an orange slot...
This will allow them to run dual channel...
I also noticed that you mentioned checking the seating of the heatsink on the CPU, a "million times"
I know you didn't check it that many times but ...
Checking it more than once or twice, your run the risk of creating air pockets between the cooler and the cpu...
Just so you know ..
Even with the intel cooler (it is a decent cooler) your temps shouldn't be as high as your are experiencing...
I know you are going to groan when I make my suggestion but ..
You need to download the pdf for using artic silver with a dual core Intel processor..
read it... print it .. tattoo it to your chest .. but follow its instructions...
clean the cooler surface, it should be smooth and clean ...
remove the cpu from the motherboard, clean the surface (and make sure there is no plastic film on it from the factory)
put the chip back in its socket and lock it in ...
put the artic silver on the cpu as directed... should be just a small line as shown in the pdf..
mate the cooler to the cpu and lock the cooler in place, click in diagonal opposite corners first, listen for the snaps
You have decent case .. a decent power supply...
Since you have large fans, there shouldn't be a reason for you to run them at high speed...
Reading your posts, all that comes back to me is your high cpu and core temps..
Since your aren't overclocking the only cause for that would be a poor heat transfer between the cooler and the cpu...
So reinstalling your cpu and cooler is the only logical thing to do...
Also, after you move your memory into the correct slots (one in a green slot and one in an orange slot...
go into your bios, make sure your:
FSB is 266
for testing put the the memory speed, timings, and all voltages to their default (or auto) setting then turn the power switch on your power supply to off..
Please ... reinstall your cpu and cooler ...

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          DivX Player:          Version: 10.1.0 (Build 11.3.0.40) - SDK 10.5 3rd-Party support link
Time Machine:
          Auto backup: YES
          Volumes being backed up:
          Destinations:
                    Data [Network] (Last used)
                    Total size: 2
                    Total number of backups: 57
                    Oldest backup: 2013-07-26 15:57:23 +0000
                    Last backup: 2014-03-18 12:31:47 +0000
                    Size of backup disk: Excellent
                              Backup size 2 > (Disk size 0 B X 3)
          Time Machine details may not be accurate.
          All volumes being backed up may not be listed.
Top Processes by CPU:
             100%          Locum
               2%          WindowServer
               1%          EtreCheck
               1%          Google Drive
               0%          Microsoft Word
Top Processes by Memory:
          213 MB          Safari
          188 MB          Finder
          156 MB          com.apple.WebKit.WebContent
          131 MB          Mail
          115 MB          Microsoft Word
Virtual Memory Information:
          2.33 GB          Free RAM
          3.60 GB          Active RAM
          626 MB          Inactive RAM
          1005 MB          Wired RAM
          7.65 GB          Page-ins
          64 MB          Page-outs

1. This procedure is a diagnostic test. It changes nothing, for better or worse, and therefore will not, in itself, solve the problem.
2. If you don't already have a current backup, back up all data before doing anything else. The backup is necessary on general principle, not because of anything in the test procedure. There are ways to back up a computer that isn't fully functional. Ask if you need guidance.
3. Below are instructions to run a UNIX shell script, a type of program. All it does is to collect information about the state of the computer. That information goes nowhere unless you choose to share it. However, you should be cautious about running any kind of program (not just a shell script) at the request of a stranger on a public message board. If you have doubts, search this site for other discussions in which this procedure has been followed without any report of ill effects. If you can't satisfy yourself that the instructions are safe, don't follow them. Ask for other options.
Here's a summary of what you need to do, if you choose to proceed: Copy a line of text from this web page into the window of another application. Wait for the script to run. It usually takes a few minutes. Then paste the results, which will have been copied automatically, back into a reply on this page. The sequence is: copy, paste, wait, paste again. Details follow.
4. You may have started the computer in "safe" mode. Preferably, these steps should be taken in “normal” mode. If the system is now in safe mode and works well enough in normal mode to run the test, restart as usual. If you can only test in safe mode, do that.
5. If you have more than one user, and the one affected by the problem is not an administrator, then please run the test twice: once while logged in as the affected user, and once as an administrator. The results may be different. The user that is created automatically on a new computer when you start it for the first time is an administrator. If you can't log in as an administrator, test as the affected user. Most personal Macs have only one user, and in that case this section doesn’t apply. Don't log in as root.
6. The script is a single long line, all of which must be selected. You can accomplish this easily by triple-clicking anywhere in the line. The whole line will highlight, though you may not see all of it in the browser window, and you can then copy it. If you try to select the line by dragging across the part you can see, you won't get all of it.
Triple-click anywhere in the line of text below on this page to select it:
PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin; clear; Fb='%s\n\t(%s)\n'; Fm='\n%s\n\n%s\n'; Fr='\nRAM details\n%s\n'; Fs='\n%s: %s\n'; Fu='user %s%%, system %s%%'; AC="com.autodesk.AutoCAD com.google.GoogleDrive"; H='^[[:space:]]*((127\.0\.0\.1|::1|fe80::1%lo0)[[:space:]]+local|(255\.){3}255[[:space:]]*broadcast)host[[:space:]]*$'; NS=networksetup; PB="/usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c Print"; A () { [[ a -eq 0 ]]; }; M () { find -L "$d" -type f | while read f; do file -b "$f" | egrep -lq XML\|exec && echo $f; done; }; AT () { o=`file -b "$1" | egrep -v '^(A.{16}t$|cann)'`; Ps "${1##*/} format"; }; Pc () { o=`grep -v '^ *#' "$2"`; l=`wc -l <<< "$o"`; [[ l -gt 25 ]] && o=`head -n25 <<< "$o"`$'\n'"[$((l-25)) more line(s)]"; Pm "$1"; AT "$1"; }; Pm () { [[ "$o" ]] && o=`sed -E '/^ *$/d;s/^ */   /;s/[-0-9A-Fa-f]{22,}/UUID/g;s/(ochat)\.[^.]+(\..+)/\1\2/;/\/Users\/Shared\//b'$'\ns/\/Users\/[^/]+\//\/Users\/USER\//g' <<< "$o"` && printf "$Fm" "$1" "$o"; }; Pp () { o=`$PB "$2" | awk -F'= ' \/$3'/{print $2}'`; Pm "$1"; }; Ps () { o=`echo $o`; [[ ! "$o" =~ ^0?$ ]] && printf "$Fs" "$1" "$o"; }; R () { o=; [[ r -eq 0 ]]; }; SP () { system_profiler SP${1}DataType; }; id -G | grep -qw 80; a=$?; A && sudo true; r=$?; t=`date +%s`; clear; { A || echo $'No admin access\n'; A && ! R && echo $'No root access\n'; SP Software | sed -n 's/^ *//;5p;6p;8p'; h=(`SP Hardware | awk '/ Id/{print $3}; /Mem/{print $2}'`); o=$h; Ps "Model"; o=$((h[1]<4?h[1]:0)); Ps "Total RAM (GB)"; o=`SP Memory | sed '1,5d;/[my].*:/d'`; [[ "$o" =~ s:\ [^O]|x([^08]|0[^2]|8[^0]) ]] && printf "$Fr" "$o"; o=`SP Diagnostics | sed '5,6!d'`; [[ "$o" =~ Pass ]] || Pm "POST"; p=`SP Power`; o=`awk '/Cy/{print $NF}' <<< "$p"`; o=$((o>=300?o:0)); Ps "Battery cycles"; o=`sed -n '/Cond.*: [^N]/{s/^.*://p;}' <<< "$p"`; Ps "Battery condition"; for b in FireWire Thunderbolt USB; do o=`SP $b | sed -En '1d;/:$/{s/ *:$//;x;s/\n//g;s/\).*/)/p;};/^ *(V.+ [0N]|Man).+ /{s/ 0x.... //;s/[()]//g;s/(.+: )(.+)/ (\2)/;H;};/Apple|Genesy|Intel|SMSC/{s/.//g;h;}'`; Pm $b; done; o=`pmset -g therm | sed 's/^.*C/C/'`; [[ "$o" =~ No\ th|pms ]] && o=; Pm "Thermal conditions"; o=`pmset -g sysload | grep -v :`; [[ "$o" =~ =\ [^GO] ]] || o=; Pm "System load advisory"; o=`nvram boot-args | awk '{$1=""; print}'`; Ps "boot-args"; a=(/ ""); A=(System User); for i in 0 1; do o=`cd ${a[$i]}L*/Lo*/Diag* || continue; for f in *.{cr,h,pa,s}*; do [[ -f "$f" ]] || continue; d=$(stat -f%Sc -t%F "$f"); [[ "$f" =~ h$ ]] && grep -lq "^Thread c" "$f" && f="$f *"; echo "$d ${f%%_2*} ${f##*.}"; done | sort | tail`; Pm "${A[$i]} diagnostics"; done; grep -lq '*$' <<< "$o" && printf $'\n\t* Code injection\n'; o=`syslog -F bsd -k Sender kernel -k Message CReq 'caug|GPU |hfs: Ru|last value [1-9]|n Cause: -|NVDA\(|pagin|proc: t|Roamed|rror|ssert|Thrott|timed? ?o|WARN' -k Message Ane 'SMC:' | tail -n25 | awk '/:/{$4=""; $5=""};1'`; Pm "Kernel messages"; o=`df -m / | awk 'NR==2 {print $4}'`; o=$((o<5120?o:0)); Ps "Free space (MiB)"; o=$(($(vm_stat | awk '/eo/{sub("\\.",""); print $2}')/256)); o=$((o>=1024?o:0)); Ps "Pageouts (MiB)"; s=( `sar -u 1 10 | sed '$!d'` ); [[ s[4] -lt 85 ]] && o=`printf "$Fu" ${s[1]} ${s[3]}` || o=; Ps "Total CPU usage" && { s=(`ps acrx -o comm,ruid,%cpu | sed '2!d'`); n=$((${#s[*]}-1)); c="${s[*]}"; o=${s[$n]}%; Ps "CPU usage by process \"${c% ${s[$((n-1))]}*}\" with UID ${s[$((n-1))]}"; }; s=(`top -R -l1 -n1 -o prt -stats command,uid,prt | sed '$!d'`); n=$((${#s[*]}-1)); s[$n]=${s[$n]%[+-]}; c="${s[*]}"; o=$((s[$n]>=25000?s[$n]:0)); Ps "Mach ports used by process \"${c% ${s[$((n-1))]}*}\" with UID ${s[$((n-1))]}"; o=`kextstat -kl | grep -v com\\.apple | cut -c53- | cut -d\< -f1`; Pm "Loaded extrinsic kernel extensions"; R && o=`sudo launchctl list | awk 'NR>1 && !/0x|com\.(apple|openssh|vix\.cron)|org\.(amav|apac|calendarse|cups|dove|isc|ntp|openld|post[fg]|x)/{print $3}'`; Pm "Extrinsic daemons"; o=`launchctl list | awk 'NR>1 && !/0x|com\.apple|org\.(x|openbsd)|\.[0-9]+$/{print $3}'`; Pm "Extrinsic agents"; o=`for d in {/,}L*/Lau*; do M; done | egrep -v 'com\.apple\.(CSConfig|server)' | while read f; do ID=$($PB\ :Label "$f") || ID="No job label"; printf "$Fb" "$f" "$ID"; done`; Pm "launchd items"; o=`for d in /{S*/,}L*/StartupItems; do M; done`; Pm "Startup items"; sys=`pkgutil --regexp --only-files --files com.apple.pkg.* | sort | uniq | sed 's:^:/:'`; b=`sed -E '/^.+Lib.+\/Contents\/Info.plist$/!d;s/\/Info.plist$//;/Contents\/./d' <<< "$sys"`; l=`egrep '^/usr/lib/.+dylib$' <<< "$sys"`; [[ "$b" && "$l" ]] && { o=`find -L /S*/L*/{C*/Sec*A,E}* {/,}L*/{A*d,Compon,Ex,In,iTu,Keyb,Mail/B,P*P,Qu*T,Scripti,Sec,Servi,Spo}* -type d -name Contents -prune | grep -Fv "$b" | while read d; do test -f "$d/Info.plist" || continue; ID=$($PB\ :CFBundleIdentifier "$_") || ID="No bundle ID"; printf "$Fb" "${d%/Contents}" "$ID"; done`; Pm "Extrinsic loadable bundles"; o=`find /usr/lib -type f -name *.dylib | grep -Fv "$l"`; Pm "Extrinsic shared libraries"; :; } || echo $'\nReceipts missing'; o=`for e in INSERT_LIBRARIES LIBRARY_PATH; do launchctl getenv DYLD_$e; done`; Pm "Environment"; o=`find -L {,/u*/lo*}/e*/periodic -type f -mtime -10d`; Pm "Modified periodic scripts"; o=`scutil --proxy | grep Prox`; Pm "Proxies"; o=`scutil --dns | awk '/r\[0\] /{if ($NF !~ /^1(0|72\.(1[6-9]|2[0-9]|3[0-1])|92\.168)\./) print $NF; exit}'`; i=`route -n get default | awk '/e:/{print $2}'`; I=`$NS -listnetworkserviceorder | sed -En '/ '$i'\)$/{x;s/^$.+$ //p;q;};x'`; n=`$NS -getdnsservers "$I" | awk '!/^T/{print "not "}'`; Ps "DNS (${n}from DHCP)"; o=`$NS -getinfo "$I" | awk '/k:/{if ($3 !~ "(255\.){3}0") print $3}'`; Ps "Netmask"; R && o=`sudo profiles -P | grep : | wc -l`; Ps "Profiles"; f=auto_master; [[ `md5 -q /etc/$f` =~ ^b166 ]] || Pc $f /etc/$f; for f in fstab sysctl.conf crontab launchd.conf; do Pc $f /etc/$f; done; f=/etc/hosts; Pc "hosts" <(egrep -v "$H" $f ); AT $f; Pc "User launchd" ~/.launchd*; R && Pc "Root crontab" <(sudo crontab -l); Pc "User crontab" <(crontab -l); R && o=`sudo defaults read com.apple.loginwindow LoginHook`; Pm "Login hook"; LD="$(`find /S*/*/F* -type f -name lsregister | head -n1` -dump)"; o=`for ID in $AC; do [[ "$LD" =~ $ID ]] && echo $ID; done`; Pm "Application check"; Pp "Global login items" /L*/P*/loginw* Path; Pp "User login items" L*/P*/*loginit* Name; Pp "Safari extensions" L*/Saf*/*/E*.plist Bundle | sed -E 's/(\..*$|-[1-9])//g'; o=`find ~ $TMPDIR.. $ -flags +sappnd,schg,uappnd,uchg -o ! -user $UID -o ! -perm -600 $ | wc -l`; Ps "Restricted user files"; cd; o=`SP Fonts | egrep 'id: N|te: Y' | wc -l`; Ps "Font problems"; o=`find L*/{Con,Pref}* -type f ! -size 0 -name *.plist | while read f; do plutil -s "$f" >&- || echo $f; done`; Pm "Bad plists"; d=(Desktop L*/Keyc*); n=(20 7); for i in 0 1; do o=`find "${d[$i]}" -type f -maxdepth 1 | wc -l`; o=$((o<=n[$i]?0:o)); Ps "${d[$i]##*/} file count"; done; o=; [[ UID -eq 0 ]] && o=root; Ps "UID"; o=$((`date +%s`-t)); Ps "Elapsed time (s)"; } 2>/dev/null | pbcopy; exit 2>&-
Copy the selected text to the Clipboard by pressing the key combination command-C.
7. Launch the built-in Terminal application in any of the following ways:
☞ Enter the first few letters of its name into a Spotlight search. Select it in the results (it should be at the top.)
☞ In the Finder, select Go ▹ Utilities from the menu bar, or press the key combination shift-command-U. The application is in the folder that opens.
☞ Open LaunchPad. Click Utilities, then Terminal in the icon grid.
Click anywhere in the Terminal window and paste (command-V). The text you pasted should vanish immediately. If it doesn't, press the return key.
8. If you see an error message in the Terminal window such as "syntax error," enter
exec bash
and press return. Then paste the script again.
9. If you're logged in as an administrator, you'll be prompted for your login password. Nothing will be displayed when you type it. You will not see the usual dots in place of typed characters. Make sure caps lock is off. Type carefully and then press return. You may get a one-time warning to be careful. If you make three failed attempts to enter the password, the test will run anyway, but it will produce less information. In most cases, the difference is not important. If you don't know the password, or if you prefer not to enter it, press the key combination control-C or just press return three times at the password prompt. Again, the script will still run.
If you're not logged in as an administrator, you won't be prompted for a password. The test will still run. It just won't do anything that requires administrator privileges.
10. The test may take a few minutes to run, depending on how many files you have and the speed of the computer. A computer that's abnormally slow may take longer to run the test. While it's running, there will be nothing in the Terminal window and no indication of progress. Wait for the line
[Process completed]
to appear. If you don't see it within half an hour or so, the test probably won't complete in a reasonable time. In that case, close the Terminal window and report the results. No harm will be done.
11. When the test is complete, quit Terminal. The results will have been copied to the Clipboard automatically. They are not shown in the Terminal window. Please don't copy anything from there. All you have to do is start a reply to this comment and then paste by pressing command-V again.
If any private information, such as your name or email address, appears in the results, anonymize it before posting. Usually that won't be necessary.
12. When you post the results, you might see the message, "You have included content in your post that is not permitted." It means that the forum software has misidentified something in the post as a violation of the rules. If that happens, please post the test results on Pastebin, then post a link here to the page you created.
Note: This is a public forum, and others may give you advice based on the results of the test. They speak only for themselves, and I don't necessarily agree with them.
Copyright © 2014 by Linc Davis. As the sole author of this work, I reserve all rights to it except as provided in the Terms of Use of the Apple Support Communities website ("ASC"). Readers of ASC may copy it for their own personal use. Neither the whole nor any part may be redistributed.

MBP running hot, full fans and sluggish with both Safari and Firefox

Hi guya,
Im having problems with my kate 2007 MBP.
Im sure lately it seems to be running slower and slower and more and more sluggish - I was hoping my Mac wouldn't be subject to "slowdown" like every PC ive ever owned has.
The biggest problem is that if i use either Safari or Firefox to browse the web, they quickly start using 80-100% of my processor causing everything else to run sluggish, the computer to get hot, processors to run up to 90 degrees and fans on full.
Perhaps i multitask more than some people - I can tend ot have a lot of tabs open in Firefox, but sometimes Safari or Firefox show this behaviour with just one tab open.
I do multitask by having about 8 programs open at once and I jump from job to job, but in its early life the MBP used to deal with this - now i feel that i type faster than writing appears on screen, i have to wait ages to work in programs like indesign, and forget trying to run a game like The Sims...
Does everyone else have the 100% processor problems with Safari (and yes im on version 4, and the latest version of firefox too) the only browser which doesn't give me these problems is Opera - I can have many tabs open and it uses very little CPU, I just dont like use Opera as much as Firefox which is my browser of choice.
But why would my OSX run differently to anyone elses? Is there a problem with my Macbook, is there a problem with OSX (does it need installing again?) Is it just time for me to buy a new Macbook Pro - or if I run firefox on that will i get the same problem? Ive got nearly 30gb of spare HD space and maxed it out with 4gb of Ram - so neither of those are causing a problem either...
Any input would be great...

Have you tried restarting the comp? Sometimes a simple refresh will cure the sluggishness.
Try running repair permissions from your HD and afterwards run +repair disk+ from your software install DVD.
Regarding your comp running hot, make sure it is properly ventilated while in use. The MBP is not a laptop. According to the user manual it states in part:
+"Do not operate your MacBook Pro on a pillow or other soft material, as the material can block the airflow vents. Never place anything over the keyboard when operating your MacBook Pro. Never push objects into the ventilation openings."+

Dead USB port running hot

I have a mid-2010 white unibody MacBook. It's been running fine, with the exception of a problem with the dashboard after the most recent firmware upgrade about a year ago. I just learned to work around it. But then Friday I got an error saying the the USB port was drawing too much power and was shut down. Sudden and random, as it had never happened before and showed up as I woke it up from screensaver mode. Nothing was plugged in. I have a Magic Trackpad and a Logitech keyboard connected via Bluetooth. Disconnecting them doesn't affect the error. I've tried rebooting and resetting PRAM & SMC. I'm trying to reinstall Lion, but I don't think it's a clean or fresh install. Has anyone encountered a USB port that dies but runs hot? The CPU seems to run a lot warmer than usual, buy about 20° F.
Any help is appreciated!

Take a look at this discussion:
https://discussions.apple.com/message/22922870#22922870
I recommend you make an appointment at an Apple genius bar and take the Mac in for a free diagnosis.
http://www.apple.com/retail/storelist/

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