"Create new versions when making adjustments" - Lion, Aperture 3.1.3

I recently upgraded to Lion, and then shortly thereafter to Aperture 3.1.3.
While I don't seem to share everybody else's issues with Lion nor with Aperture, I do have one of my own.
In Preferences -> Advanced, I have a box titled "Create new versiont when making adjustment." It is checked.
My expectation, (and the way things have always worked under Snow Leopard) is that if I select a master image and begin to make adjustments to it from _any_ feature int he adjustments pallette, that I new version will be created, stacked next to the original, and that the changes I am making will be made to the new version. This is _not_ what is happening.
Instead, the changes are applied directly to the master image. This is annoying, and will probably be fixed in an update... I thought the work around would be to manually create the version for the time being, until Apple sorts this out. That didn't work either.
If I manually create a version, and then proceed to make adjustments to the version, Aperture dows what I would have expected in the first place. It creates a new version and applies the changes to that.
For example, I right click on a master image and select "New Version form Master" A new version, titled "... - Version 2" is created. When I begin to modify Version 2, a new version is created titled "... - Version 3" and my changes are applied to this version... leaving me with the master and Version 2 which are now duplicates of each other.
Even more interesting is this:
Images that were imported into Aperture prior to the Lion upgrade, and the 3.1.3 patch behave as expected, in that a new version is created when adjustments are applied to a master image.
Images that were imported into Aperture _after_ the upgrade to Lion and the 3.1.3 patch act as describd above, in that no new version is created when adjustments are applied to a master image.
So... Here are the questions:
1. Is anybody else experiencing this?
2. Does anybody know how to restore the correct behavior?

Alright, I have solved the problem.
Some time ago, I thought it might be neat to import pictures with the Auto Exposure adjustment in place. What I didn't realize was that if the master image is in the library with adjustments on it, it downs't create a new version when you add additional adjustments.
As soon as I disabled that, and imported some new imges the probelm went away.
Also... I went back to the six or seven project that I had imported while use Auto Exposure and removed that adjustment from those images...
All is resolved.

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Preference to "Create New Versions when making adjustments"

Isnt the option in Preferences "create new version when making adjustments" seem irrelevant when Ap doesnt touch the original (master) anyway? How is this option intended to be used? Most of the imags for me would be slight tweeks so I wouldnt necessarily want every one of those showing as a 'full new version'.

yeh, that would seem logical wouldn't it - to create a new version for each session... but that's not what happens.
i mostly use the HUD and don't close between adjustments but i do sometimes use the side panel which i also don't hide/close between adjustments. i can't remember whether making adjustments via the side panel creates new versions for every adjustment, certainly this behaviour happens when i use the HUD and i'm fairly sure i would have tried the side panel to avoid this annoying behaviour but i can't say for sure and will have to test the side panel behaviour next week if i get time.
even with the preference for 'create new versions' turned off, there seem to be certain images that always create a new version when i make an adjustment - whether using the HUD or side panel. I haven't figured out an exact pattern to this but it seems to be something to do with those files that have been 'sent to external editor'. subsequent adjustments within aperture always create a new version - haven't a clue why...
just as an aside, sometimes when i make adjustments (particularly sharpening or noise reduction) i get single pixel wide horizontal lines of noise appearing across my images, which are there when i print or export too, not just screen artifacts due to a badly processed preview...hmmm...anyone else noticed this or has found a post about ways to avoid this?
all that said, aperture is a godsend for my workflow
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Create new versions when making adjustments?

Hi,
What does anyone suggest this setting should be set to? It's on the Advanced Tab in Preferences.
I think it was un checked when I installed the Trial Version.
The help file stated the following:-
+Create new versions when making adjustments” checkbox: Select this checkbox to have Aperture automatically create a new version when you adjust a selected image. The adjustment is applied to the original version and the new one is left untouched.+
So when I edit an image the the software makes a copy and the original is altered? What happens if it's left un checked?
Any help on the whole editing thing would be gratefully received.

This is just a way to automatically create a new version when you make an adjustment. The new version is stacked with an unaltered version, allowing you to quickly see them side by side. What you have to remember is that the *original file is never altered*. This is all virtual. What is called original in this case is in fact an original version, not the actual file. The actual file is called the Master. Very important to understand the distinction.
I personally leave this off. I never use RAW files without adjustments so there's no point in keeping an unaltered version around, plus it tends to quickly multiply versions and just creates clutter. If I want to see the original file I just hit M (this is the default command key for Show Master). Hit M again and I'm back to my version. If I've created a version and want to do a new different looking one starting from scratch, I can select New Version From Master: presto a new "original"!
If I've worked on a picture and want to create a BW version, chances are I want to keep the work I've already done as a starting point. In that case I select Duplicate Version and do my BW on the new version. Again, I'm never actually duplicating files and I'm never actually altering pixels, original or otherwise. This is all a set of xml instructions that Aperture applies when it displays the files.
Helping?
Message was edited by: Jade Leary

"Create new versions when making adjustments" checkbox - do I check it??

I have been using Aperture for many months. I'm not sure why, but I looked at my prefs the other day and the checkbox above was unchecked. Two important questions:
1. Which way should this be set??
2. Is Aperture still keeping the original separate from any edits I am making? PLEASE tell me that my originals have been kept separately!!! : )
Thanks in advance,
Erik

1. It's a Preference. It should be set the way you prefer.
2. Aperture never adjusts the master.
When you look at an unadjusted image in Aperture, you are seeing +Version 1+. You can adjust Version 1, or you can create a new version and adjust that. Or you can set the preference, and when you make adjustments, a new version will be created automatically. This can cause unwanted versions to accumulate. Or maybe they are not unwanted.
The Master is never affected, just the versions.

System should not creates new version when value of PO increased..

Hi Experts,
Need your help to solve this problem. When i increase value of PO it should retrigger Release strategy but it creates version first, then i have to tick completion indicator and check then only release strategy retriggers..
It should not create new version when change po
Please check below screenshot
Please help

Hi
Please reveiw the following points in note
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active - the only difference in case - version management is active -
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Aperture creating new version of image for each adjustment applied!

To anyone out there who can sort this one out, I will be forever grateful!
Here's the problem. I'll be jamming away in Aperture, adjusting photos like a madman. After adjusting a random number of photos (it usually varies between 5-30 photos or so after starting Aperture each time), the adjustments panel will no longer update when I click on a new image (i.e. it holds the info from the last image I adjusted and will continue to apply new adjustments to that last image even if another image is highlighted). If I switch to the metadata panel and then back to adjustments it will refresh itself and recognize the currently selected image (although I have to do this for EACH image I want to adjust once it starts acting up like this). The BIG problem is that even if I get the adjustments panel to recognize the selected image at this point, for EACH adjustment I apply it makes a new version of the image. For example, if I first change the contrast, it will make Version 2 of the image and select it (which is what it's supposed to do for the first adjustment, because I have "create new versions when making adjustments" checked in my preferences), but if I then make another adjustment like changing the saturation, it makes Version 3 of the image (from the master, so that only the saturation adjustment is applied and not the contrast adjustment). As you can imagine, this utterly destroys my once incredibly efficient Aperture workflow and makes it pretty much impossible to use Aperture for adjustments unless I turn off "create new versions when making adjustments" in the preferences, at which point it does seem to work again (although I've only tried it on a few images, so not 100% sure it will work properly even then). If I restart Aperture (or my computer), it will work normally again for a few pictures and then will start acting up again with the same problem.
Originally I was running into this problem on my PowerBook G4, and so I figured it was just because Aperture didn't like my wussy G4 processor and was acting up when the load got too heavy (after all, the adjustments would work fine for up to 30 images or so). However I recently purchased a sexy iMac 24" 2.8 GHz and maxed out the RAM to 4GB, but I'm still getting the same darned problem with Aperture on my iMac. Yes, I'm using the same library of photos I was using on my PowerBook G4.
This problem has been plaguing me for about 3 months now (everything else in Aperture works fine so I'm still using it to import and organize my photos, I just haven't been able to make adjustments on large groups of pictures for a while), and I've searched and searched these forums countless times to see if anyone has run into similar problems, but I've not seen a single mention of it. I've also tried EVERYTHING mentioned for similar problems (rebuilding library, vacuuming database, erasing com.apple.aperture.plist preference file, repairing permissions, reinstalling Aperture, making burnt offerings to Steve Jobs), and NOTHING is working. ARRGH!!
For those who might have some words of wisdom to offer this delighted-***-miserably frustrated Aperture user, here are a few more details about my setup:
I have a library of about 37,000 photos, the vast majority of them being RAW .CRW files from a Canon 10D. The 25GB library file is stored on my internal hard drive, and all photos are referenced from an external LaCie 500GB FireWire 400 hard drive. I have a LOT of export plug-ins installed in Aperture, but no image adjustment plugins. I have generated previews turned off for all projects. I've had the same problem on both my PowerBook G4 and new iMac 24" 2.8 GHz. One other thing worth mentioning is that instead of upgrading from 2.1 (which was already giving me this problem) to 2.1.2, I downloaded the full version of 2.1.2 and installed it. I noticed that my 2.1 Aperture.app file was less than 100MB, whereas the 2.1.2 Aperture.app file is over 300MB. Don't know if that's normal or not.
The only other thing I can think of to try at this point is to load a new library into Aperture and import a large group of pictures and make adjustments to them to potentially see if my problem is being caused by Aperture or by the library. Will probably try that tomorrow.
I would appreciate any advice or feedback anyone can offer about this nasty little problem, as it's giving me a serious hormonal imbalance.
THANKS!

Thanks for the reply RB, but my current workflow depends on me creating new versions when I make adjustments. I suppose as a temporary solution I will probably have to either turn this preference off or just be willing to constantly restart Aperture. At least I finally found another thread with the same problem, so finally I don't feel completely alone in the far reaches of the Aperture universe. For anyone who is interested, here is the link to that thread:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=8555067
It appears this problem is closely related to the ubiquitous black viewer problem that seems to be plaguing far more users than my issue (although I've run into the black viewer problem a few times myself), as both problems force Aperture to output the following message to Console:
Main Thread Exception in Aperture: * -NSCFArray objectAtIndex:: index (1) beyond bounds (1)
It seems that both of these problems existed in Aperture 1 and 1.5 up until the 1.5.6 upgrade which seems to have fixed it, but then with Aperture 2 the problem seems to have returned. At least that's the gist of what I've been reading on a number of threads. Whatever the case, I hope Apple gets this sorted out in their next update!
As it appears there is no proper answer to this problem at the moment, I'm gonna go ahead and mark this thread answered (and since you were kind enough to at least take the time to reply RB, you can be credited with the answer... thanks!).

No new version when modifying a TIFF?

I exported CR2 to PS, returned the TIFF to Aperture. But when I make a change in the TIFF, it produces another version.
"Create new versions when making adjustments" is NOT checked.
Is there anyway to modify such a TIFF without having another version created?
Thanks

Hi,
Not wishing to be pedantic but helpful here. The version is not a ghost in one important sense: it is a collection of edit instructions to apply to the underlying master. Hence it is mere kb in size vs the TIF or RAW or even JPG master.
It also explains some of the lag between clicking on a version thumbnail and seeing the resulting image fully rendered and available for further editing. The more complex edit instructions and the more of them (spot/patch, straighten especially) will give rise to a slower rendering of the image .... which is where Previews come in useful to give a better feel for the image while all the instructions are being applied in the background.
That said, the Aperture engine is still slow for spot/patch and straighten edits especially, but this must be balanced against the disk I/O time that would be consumed reading multi-Mb RAW or TIF files. Oh for instant disk access and read time with infinite processing capacity!

Image Disappears when Adding Adjustments in Aperture 3

I am experiencing odd behavior when using the adjustment tools in Aperture 3. I tried to crop an image and instead of staying on screen for me to finish the adjustment, the image disappeared. I was able to save it by undoing. I created a version of the image and I could crop that OK. I have Add New Version when Making Adjustments checked but it does not seem to be working.

I've had a similar "disappearing" image problem when trying to apply the retouch tool. I don't have the "create version when applying adjustments" preference checked though. Hopefully these issues are additional 3.0 bugs that will get fixed in 3.0.1. Be sure to report the issue to Apple using the "Aperture > Provide Aperture Feedback" menu item.

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One of my projects in Aperture started behaving unexpectedly yesterday and I still haven't figured out why. I was reviewing proofs with a client and we were making selections and adjustments to some of the images. We were working in a smart album that was filtered on 5-star ratings. We made a few new versions of some of these images within the smart album, made adjustments, and ultimately selected her picks by adding the keyword "pick" to her selected images. In retrospect I probably will change that flow so that when I make my original selects I will rate them as a 4-star and then up it to a 5-star when the client makes their picks.
But for now, back to the problem. All was going well with the workflow until I tried to rearrange some of the images within the smart album. When I dragged the first image to a new location it created new versions of several images. I think this happened multiple times before I realized what had happened, so before I new it the album was filled with duplicate versions. I deleted the duplicate versions, but I find that they keep cropping up unexpectedly. If I go to the parent project and then return to the smart album, it makes a duplicate version of every image in the album.
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Mmm...I don't think this explanation tells the whole story.
Dragging an image out of the project container and into an enclosed (non-smart) album does NOT automatically generate a new version of the master image local to that album; instead, the album is populated with a new reference to the original version. Dragging that same image again out of the project container - or the first album - to yet another album generates yet another reference to the same underlying version.
Edits performed in any of these containers propagate to the images in all containers (within a particular project, of course), demonstrating that each type of container holds merely a reference to the project's single original version.
The Aperture User Manual is a bit ambiguous in its description (Chapter 5 pg 113) of the distinction between "copying" and "moving" images between projects and albums; I believe that when it refers to copying versions it's really talking about copying REFERENCES to versions between various containers.
So, long story short, I don't think moving images between the various types of containers within a single project can explain your duplicated images.
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Can someone please confirm this? I don't want to waste a bunch of space if I don't have to.
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We know we are creating new version of the DIR when it is required to make a change in the original keeping in tact the Older file also for reference,
we want to know when a new version of the document is getting created how can we specify, why and what made us to create this new Version, we would like to capture this reason in SAP so the user can easily come to know why this Version is created,
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