Creative Labs What Is Wrong With Your Manufacturing!!!??!?! RE: Gigaworks S750, XFI e

Ok this is a straight forward RANT! In building my new computer I decided to let Creative be my folks for sound since I've always been impressed with the EAX and surround sound, the first time I played EQ in 4. 3D sound on a first gen SBLi've card I was in awe. I've bought so many speakers and sound cards since and been happy. So I decide with my new computer I will buy the XFI Fatality, Progamer headphones with mic, and the Gigaworks s750 7. speakers. Well I got the headphones and the sound card first, right off the headphones left side sounded blown out to me, so I sent them back, and the new pair worked fine. The XFI card became the issue next I had the cracking and popping noises, I made a few tweaks and was able to kill most of it, but I have 4 gigs of Ram and when I turn on the memory hole in the bios so that XP Pro 64 can see the 4 gigs brings back the popping noises. So I have to turn of 2 gigs of ram that cost me over $300 so I don't have nasty noise when I play games. Oh yea and I sent the card back as well in hopes I'd get a repaired one.... No Such Luck... So then I get to my speakers, the left rear channel is making a sound like a blown speaker so I swap the plug with another channel and its fine and the other speaker in that channel makes the noise, so I send back the sub as a RMA at a cost of $30 to me (not like giving them $800+ for broken stuff isn't bad enough... nothing like salt on the wound.) So after 2 weeks of no sound other than headphones for my gaming, I get my sub back, I hook it up and.... Now the left rear channel is totally DEAD. So now I'm PISSED, I call up and hold it together when talking to the RMA folks. They offer to send me a whole new set of speakers, so I'm thinking cool, maybe its in a cable or the box or something.... Today I get home from work and see the box, I'm like sweet new stuff and spend a good hour carefully rewiring my whole desk with the new speakers and cables. Get it all hooked up and click on the sound test for the 7. and........ The Side Left Channel is DEAD WTF!!!!!!
!!! All I can say is it sucks there is no real competition for sound against Creative, because they know their product will be the demand and if they put out a poorly manufactured item they can get away with only so many people will even bother RMAing and will just li've with it thinking they did something wrong. I am truly disturbed by this trend and can only hope that after I actually get everything working in 6 months or so if they ever fix the noise issue with XFI and maybe a few more RMAs of my sub to get one they TEST before sending it to me... I hate to say it but I think next comp I build I'm going to have to start looking at other sound companies. Its sad to lose faith in a company you hold in such high regards for so long as pioneers. Thanks for reading, oh and CL support persons that like to pop into a message and post an idea that most anyone with an IQ over 3 would have tried in the first 5 minutes of troubleshooting only to never revist the thread because your goal is the create the illusion of support on the boards by making a certain number of posts regardless for image sake, don't bother responding since due to my past experience with your phone support I know more about your products than most of you... Oh and your database of issues/fixes doesn't count as knowledge its the results of your customers helping each other with issues and you all pool the fixes they come up with confirm them, and post them as?fixes. I wont rule out a couple of them your crack teams might stumble across like the first guy that discovered that touching electrical wires is bad and put shielding on them, well maybe the guy that found him did it.... Rant off =)

I'll close this thread as I don't think any good discussion can come from it, I think you just wanted to get your point across so I'll leave the thread here but closed, and will pass on specific feedback from it.
I do not see any reason for you to attack the moderators. As we have already stated (and is detailed in the announcement at the top of each board), we are here to make sure the board stays running and people do not post inappropriate content (and abide by the rules), we are not here to provide support. We may post sometimes with advice people could try, but we not trying to create any illusion that support is offered on this board, as it isn't. That is what Customer Support is for.
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