Creative midi routing

I'm trying to run logic express and some NI instruments (kontakt2) outside of logic (since they're not universal yet). Any ideas on how I could route the midi? Basically I want to use logic as my sequencer and route the midi from my keyboard via midisport 2x2 into logic and then from logic into Kontakt2 (running outside of logic). I've gotten the midi to go to logic and kontakt but I can't get the playback to work. Thanks.

Justin thanks for the reply! I have actually tried the IAC bus and I can't get it to work for some reason. Do I need to set anything up in logics enviornment? What I've done so far is just enable it in "audio/midi" setup and then select it as the port for instrument in logic and then set the input in kontakt as the IAC bus and the same channel. I don't get anything. Am I doing something wrong?

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Problem with external MIDI routing has to be MainStage 2 bug

I posted a bug the other day where I was getting occasional bogus MIDI note events in one external synth while playing a keyboard that was (supposed to be only) sending MIDI data to a different external synth.
I have now performed two experiments that would seem to indicate that the problem must be caused by MainStage 2 and not by CoreMIDI or by MOTU drivers/external MIDI interfaces.
Experiment 1:
I created a new Digital Performer sequence, enabled multi-input mode and routed one keyboard controller to one external synth and another keyboard controller to another external synth, essentially reproducing the MainStage 2 patch. Played both keyboards together for some time with no problems whatsoever. (In MainStage 2, I'd get a glitch pretty quickly)
Experiment 2: (to eliminate the possibility that Digital Performer (a MOTU product itself) wasn't doing something special)
I used Max/MSP and created two midiin/midiout connections, one representing the first keyboard controller and external synth, the second representing the second keyboard controller and external synth respectively (duh). Again, I played both keyboards for a while and everything worked perfectly, no glitches.
I have reported this to Apple several times via their feedback but have heard NOTHING back from them.
Original bug posting
(http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2137282&tstart=0)

If I understand you correctly, I think I experienced a similar problem. However, in my case, I don't have two separate midi input devices, but rather one; and two separate external devices I am wanting to control with midi.
Brief background: I use an EWI to play various softsynths & now external synths via MS2. I also route the audio from my EWI into MS2 for additional processing and I use an external effects processor (Eventide Eclipse) for additional processing and sound manipulation. I send program changes with my EWI to change patches using MS2. My EWI transmits only on midi channel 1, which MS2 is set to receive on. Also, my Eclipse is set to receive midi data on channel 5 (a method I used to keep things separate in my all hardware rig when MOTU MTP AV was my switching device).
Initially, I thought I could just have my EWI send a program change message on channel 1, and then MS2 would send a program change message to the Eclipse on channel 5, all from the same MS2 keyboard object. It worked, but with one small glitch ... after the program change happened, and I started playing my EWI, the Eclipse began receiving my midi note information which in turn caused the Eclipse to be confused and start trying to change patches, etc. I checked the keyboard object which was not supposed to transmit on channel 1 to anything external, but I could not figure out how to set it up. Note: none of my devices are set to OMNI because I learned a long time ago, that I want to control routing and specific channels ensure their separation ... or supposed to anyway.
What I ended up doing was to create another midi object (this time the little spherical thing, not the keyboard), and assigned it to transmit on midi channel 5 and not receive on any channel. This turned out to be the solution / work around for this situation.
Another problem I am having with midi control when using MS2 as a go-between, is an issue with pitch bend information getting messed up as its sent to my external synth (Yamaha VL70m). For some reason, playing the VL70m by way of MS2, causes my EWI pitch-bend data to force the VL70m pitch-bend in the permanent down position making all notes flat. My solution in this case was to set up a direct link with MidiPipe, from my EWI to my VL70m and filter out any program changes so that I can use the MS2 to send a patch change to it, but use my EWI to play it directly. It seems to work well, and my pitch-bend is back to normal, but I am not certain (and don't know how to test) if the VL70m is now getting duplicate note on/off information with the potential of a minuscule delay from MS2 being in the path as opposed to playing direct from my EWI. It seems unnoticeable to my ears, but it's in the back of my mind.
Anyway, these are some of my midi episodes and I think it's pretty clear that Apple needs to quickly address some issues about midi handling and MS2.
Hope this helps ... and maybe we can come up with some more creative ways to deal with these "undocumented features" (to borrow a saying from the Windows world).

Internal CS Midi Routing

Okay, the way I setup my concerts is that I have 5 MIDI Activity Monitors each set to receive on a different midi channel (1-5). Then I route different CSs to different Activity Monitor objects within a patch. The only nausance is that I'd like for all midi messages to revert back to being on channel 1 after it get's received by the Activity Monitor object. So that even if I have a CS routed to "Activity Monitor 2", the midi signal it gets will be Channel 1, not channel 2.
I only ask because there *IS* a way of doing this manually for each channel strip: by setting the input to "Multitimbral", selecting the correct activity monitor, and changing the channel routing to "1". So it is possible, but only at the CS level. What I'm hoping is that there's a way to more universally do this, so all activity monitors re-route their received messages to channel 1. There is no settings on either Activity Monitor or Keyboard Input objects to reroute midi, so I'm guessing not... but it doesn't hurt to ask.

Oh my Geil-ness you really solved that quickly. I had almost given up hope.
Funny sometimes one misses what should be not too "un"-obvious.
Works like a charm already.
Seemless song & sound switching between Mainstage, OnStage and Logic, just the way i want it.
I had to turn the IAC on though, so I guess it's off by default.
You just saved me and my friends a lot of cable hassle.
Thanks a million!

Midi Routing

I have two keyboards, one wired to Logic via midi cables (Port 1, Channel 1) the second board is a Virus Ti. I am not using Virus Control. I'm using the Virus Ti Synth driver and channel 2.
My question is, if I make a new Instrument track and apply a Soft Synth to it, is there a way to play it layered with either board and still have the remaining board sound on it's own channel. In other words, "Multi Recording with one of the boards layered to the SS?"
Demix is selected. I thought by selecting the same midi channel for the SS as one of the keyboards would work.. Nope! Is there a way to route this in the Environment? I'm a newbie to Logic and it's routing. Thanks.

Remember the MIDI channels of the instrument object determine how the events are distributed. I can't say for sure (because I'm not in front of Logic right now) whether in multiplayer record mode, if you have more than one object set to a particular MIDI channel whether the events get correctly sent to both, But I would have though they were.
So if your keyboard 1 is in channel 1, and your second keyboard is channel 2, in multiplayer mode (demix on), both you instrument and soft synth object channels should be 1 (so they are both played from keyboard one) with the third part on channel 2.
Is this what you are doing but it's not working?

Axiom 25 percussion pads -- MIDI routing to different channel strips?

Hi all, and sorry for the noobie question! This is a very helpful forum.
I found a thread back in November that asked a similar question, but the thread is archived and I couldn't reply.
I've got an Axiom 25 MIDI controller going into Mainstage 2 via USB. This keyboard has eight percussion pads. I've got those pads transmitting on MIDI channel 10, and the keyboard transmitting on channel 1 (verified by the midi monitor at the top of the Mainstage edit screen).
I would like to get percussion sounds from the pads and keyboard sounds from the keys. I've set things up in Layout so that there are separate keyboard and percussion pads, and I've gone through the "learn" process and specified channel 10 for the percussion pads, etc. None of this seems to matter as far as what sound is produced, at least not yet.
The question I have is whether using my single MIDI controller, I am limited to using one playback instrument at a time and using multitimbral input to it, or if there is an easy way to "route" to multiple channel strips containing distinct instruments based on the midi transmission channel from the Axiom (i.e. channel 10 for the percussion pads, 1 for the keys).
I did RTFM without luck. I hope I've expressed the question using clear & proper terms -- I'm new to this so please be patient with me, and thanks in advance for your reply.
-Rob

It seems to me like this should be easily accomplished. My suggestion is to use the MIDI Activity Indicator (looks like a little round light), since you're on MS2. Here are the steps that I'd follow, although I don't have my rig in front of me so it's all by memory:
- In Layout mode, create two MIDI Activity Indicators: one that is assigned to Channel 1, and one that is assigned to Channel 10. I would name them "Channel 1" and "Channel 10" so that they're easily identifiable in Edit mode.
- In Edit mode, create a patch with two channel strips: one for your drum sounds and one for your keyboard sound.
- Assign the Channel 1 indicator to your keyboard sound channel strip, and assign the Channel 10 indicator to your drum sound channel strip.
Give that a try!

Internal MIDI-routing?

Hey there... *is it possible to route the MIDI-output of Logic internally to another program*, or do i have to use the cord (midi out->in) i'm using now?
Environment? Or is there some other software out there? Something like Soundflower for MIDI?
I wanna do this so i can improve my live-setup.
Basically Logic controls OnStage for session change (songs) and also controls Mainstage x2 on 2 other macbooks.
Is it possible?

Oh my Geil-ness you really solved that quickly. I had almost given up hope.
Funny sometimes one misses what should be not too "un"-obvious.
Works like a charm already.
Seemless song & sound switching between Mainstage, OnStage and Logic, just the way i want it.
I had to turn the IAC on though, so I guess it's off by default.
You just saved me and my friends a lot of cable hassle.
Thanks a million!

Does Audition 3 do MIDI routing, merging, etc.?

I have one MIDI in and one MIDI out on my audio card and four MIDI ins and four MIDI outs on a USB interface. I would like to be able to use some of these ports to connect synths and controllers together in various ways, rather than having them all go to the DAW software. What I'm looking for is something like Bome's MIDI Translator Pro. Can Audition do all that? Thanks in advance!
By the way, this forum has possibly the worst forum navigation I've ever used. Just sayin'.

Juan Deaux wrote:
I have one MIDI in and one MIDI out on my audio card and four MIDI ins and four MIDI outs on a USB interface. I would like to be able to use some of these ports to connect synths and controllers together in various ways, rather than having them all go to the DAW software. What I'm looking for is something like Bome's MIDI Translator Pro. Can Audition do all that? Thanks in advance!
By the way, this forum has possibly the worst forum navigation I've ever used. Just sayin'.
Having looked at the web page for MIDI Translator Pro, the answer is No. The MIDI implementation within AA3 is pretty basic, to say the least. I'm not sure whether ANY fully-specced MIDI sequencer could actually do all that the Bome software can do, though I do stand to be corrected by those who have more detailed knowledge of those sequencers.
I think many would agree with you about the forum navigation!
Jeff

Harmonize lead vocal Routing Midi with Antares Harmony Engine Evo

After a long day researching and NOT getting the job done... I need correct midi routing instructions to get Antares Harmony Engine Evo to play 2 different midi harmony tracks: i.e., one on track 7 and one on track 8 wince I couldn't get any of the 'great' harmony presets to work at all. I need explicit instructions on what to click on and where it is without leaving out assumed steps. Thanks!

Adding this: PLEASE and THANK YOU... anybody who knows anything. I've read manuals, searched the net, etc., instructions are not clear or non-existent with many posts saying 'I can't get this function to work!' to no avail so far. I've round no video tutorials. One post suggested 'side chain' as in the Antares Pitch Correct but there is NO side chain menu on my Harmony Engine, and FYI, it disappeared on my APC, from time to time. What's going on here? I'd like to have these harmonies on for Christmas gift. I tried transposing the lead vocal track and ! 'no transpose function' would show up in the usual place. Now I'm trying the midi routing since the harmony engine's default patches didn't work. I've set every knob and button including voice register, i.e. 'soprano' in this case, etc. following the small manual. There's got to be a way as this program has won many awards, so someone is getting it to work. Please RSVP... Thank you and happy holidays!

Can't init midi playback

I have troubles with midi initialisation. I use SB Live and ALSA drivers. mp3/wav/ogg playing so good, but I can't load midibank into SB with awesfx-0.5.d (and awesfx-0.4.4 too) from http://www.alsa-project.org/~iwai/awedrv.html
May be exist another way for midi bank load?
[vlad@vixen ~]$ lspci | grep Creative
01:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)
01:08.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 07
[vlad@vixen ~]$ cat /etc/modprobe.conf | grep -v '^#'
alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1
alias sound-slot-0 snd-emu10k1
root@vixen vlad]# sfxload /mnt/storage/Soft/multimedia/midi_banks/8RealGS20.SF2
/dev/sequencer: No such device
!!! Why? But devices are presents:
[root@vixen vlad]# ls -l /dev/sequencer*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2006-10-22 13:57 /dev/sequencer -> sound/sequencer
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 2006-10-22 13:57 /dev/sequencer2 -> sound/sequencer2
[root@vixen vlad]# ls -l /dev/sound/sequencer*
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 1 2006-10-22 13:57 /dev/sound/sequencer
crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 8 2006-10-22 13:57 /dev/sound/sequencer2
[vlad@vixen ~]$ lsmod | grep snd
snd_seq_oss 31744 0
snd_seq_midi_event 6784 1 snd_seq_oss
snd_seq 48240 4 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_pcm_oss 39424 0
snd_mixer_oss 14720 1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_emu10k1 114592 4
snd_rawmidi 19968 1 snd_emu10k1
snd_ac97_codec 92580 1 snd_emu10k1
snd_ac97_bus 2560 1 snd_ac97_codec
snd_pcm 68868 5 snd_pcm_oss,snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec
snd_seq_device 7308 4 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi
snd_timer 19204 3 snd_seq,snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm
snd_page_alloc 8200 2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm
snd_util_mem 4096 1 snd_emu10k1
snd_hwdep 7556 1 snd_emu10k1
snd 45444 17 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_seq_device,snd_timer,snd_hwdep
soundcore 7776 1 snd
Please help me configure properly midi.
Thanks!

My soundcard does not support MIDI being an onboard card. But I've used timidity to along with alsa's MIDI routing capabilities to play MIDI files. Timidity acts like a MIDI playback engine by providing patch banks. First, load the snd_virmidi ALSA module. Then, execute timidity in daemon mode as so
timidity -iA
Then, use aconnect to determine the MIDI virtual connection port.
aconnect -o
client 20: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 1-0' [type=kernel]
0 'VirMIDI 1-0 '
client 21: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 1-1' [type=kernel]
0 'VirMIDI 1-1 '
client 22: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 1-2' [type=kernel]
0 'VirMIDI 1-2 '
client 23: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 1-3' [type=kernel]
0 'VirMIDI 1-3 '
[emmanuel@~/]$ aconnect -o
client 20: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 1-0' [type=kernel]
0 'VirMIDI 1-0 '
client 21: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 1-1' [type=kernel]
0 'VirMIDI 1-1 '
client 22: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 1-2' [type=kernel]
0 'VirMIDI 1-2 '
client 23: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 1-3' [type=kernel]
0 'VirMIDI 1-3 '
client 128: 'TiMidity' [type=user]
0 'TiMidity port 0 '
1 'TiMidity port 1 '
2 'TiMidity port 2 '
3 'TiMidity port 3 '
In my case, the output port will be 128:0
Now, you need to connect a virtual MIDI IN port to this out port. So use aconnect to view IN ports like so.
aconnect -i
client 0: 'System' [type=kernel]
0 'Timer '
1 'Announce '
client 20: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 1-0' [type=kernel]
0 'VirMIDI 1-0 '
client 21: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 1-1' [type=kernel]
0 'VirMIDI 1-1 '
client 22: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 1-2' [type=kernel]
0 'VirMIDI 1-2 '
client 23: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 1-3' [type=kernel]
0 'VirMIDI 1-3 '
I'm going to use port 20:0. So to make the connection, run...
aconnect 20:0 128:0
You will notice timidity will recognize the connection. Now, you can use a MIDI capable client to play MIDI files using timidity as the sound engine. One such application is seq24.
If you just want to play a MIDI file, all you need is
timidity myfile.mid

Using multiple MIDI in and out ports... is there a any solution?

Hi Guys,
I've been using Logic Pro for about 3 or 4 years, and have always struggled with the fact that when using external MIDI instruments, there are not separate drop-down menus for PORT IN and PORT OUT, where I could choose which port would be used on my MIDI interface.
I was previously a Cubase user, and it had these two ports, so I could easily choose, for example: "MIDI IN: Port B" and "MIDI OUT: Port C", and MIDI would be routed to those ports.
Logic only has one drop-down for selecting ports, and that is for the outgoing MIDI signal only.
My problem is that when we want to record say two synths at the same time, each on its own MIDI track, the incoming signals are blended and played on both active tracks.
There IS a tick-box option in Project Settings, called Auto demix by channel if multitrack recording, but this only works when all the channels in question are armed for recording. If we are just jamming ideas (but want to have MIDI set up ready to record... therefore local is off on each synth, etc...), it appears there is no way to separate the incoming MIDI signals so they only go back to their respective ports.
This issue has now compounded with the addition of two new synths in my studio... suddenly it's even more crucial to be able to easily separate the MIDI ports for each of the four synths.
I have never delved into the Environment, but was chatting to the guys in the music store I go to, and they were saying there might be a way of setting up the specific MIDI routing I am looking for, in the Environment.
I would love any assistance you could give me. This has become such a frustration that I have even looked at moving back to Cubase (but the way it handles lots of tracks at low latency on Mac is stopping me, at the moment! The trial version showed this up as a real issue, compared to Logic!).
I am of course secretly hoping that Logic Pro 10 will have a re-thought MIDI setup, with simple in and out port drop-downs for each MIDI track. But that's a long shot, and Logic 10 could still be ages away!
Any help an experienced user can offer me would really be appreciated.
Cheers,
Mike

discussed like ****
still no one ever did a simple explanation how to do , once for all in the environtment .
Please, i am ready even to pay someone who will show the techique

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I need help setting up an environment for my Ensoniq ASR-X. As it Stands, I have been able to get my Axium 49 to trigger sounds in the ASR-x and I have also been able to get Logic to start the ASR's sequencer but for some reason I get latency and a phase effect from the ASR.
All I want to do is toggle between making the ASR-X a slave so I can record tracks that are made on the machine into logic or make Logic the SLAVE so I can press the play button on the ASR and record my audio and midi at the same time into Logic 8.
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Amy advice on how to set up the midi routing between my Axium 49, M-Audio Fast Track Pro USB interface and ASR-X to work together more smoothly would be much appreciated.

Hi. Thanks for taking the time to reply. I did try that and it didn't solve the problem.
What I did last night was to trash all my Logic Express files and the Logic pro install files as per the advice on the Logic Pro Troubleshooting Basics page. Then I reinstalled and updated Logic Pro.
That seemed to fix the problem. It may have been that having a 7.1.1 version of Logic Express and a 7.2 version of Logic Pro on the same machine was causing a confusion over preferences (if that makes sense; I'm not a computer expert). At any rate, I have my insert slots back now and I'm happy.
Thanks again for taking the time to respond.
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Send midi from software sequencer to midi out

I am quite new to logic and sometimes am confused about the midi routing...
I have a sequencer (Reaktor) in a software instrument track, from wich I want to send midi to my hardware synthesiser. (sometimes maby recording the midi coming out from reaktor to a midi track)
I have the output channel in Reaktor set to the same as the receive channel of my synthesiser. (everything works fine in Reaktor standalone)
But I was not able to do it from logic ...
I tried option-clic on the triangle in the track in the environnement, to draw a beautiful cable to the corresponding midi channel of my instrument track...
And a few other things...
My synthesiser still recieve nothing.
If anyone can show me the road, i will be very grateful.
Thanks

Here is thread from the Reaktor Forum:
http://www.native-instruments.com:80/forum/showthread.php?t=63504&highlight=Midi +Output
some Ensembles don't transmit Midi to the Outside world - this one does:
http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=userlibrary&type=0&ulbr=1&plview= detail&patchid=6669

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Is Adobe forcing Creative Cloud on us now?? I cannot find anyplace on website to just update my programs!!! I just want to update PS, Lightroom, etc. to the latest version and don't want to go the Creative Cloud route. The reviews on CC on the internet are not very good!

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