CReative Zen Vision M: AV cable alternative

Hi guys,?I'm new to this forum so may I start with a big hello and an understandingly proud pat on the back to any of you lucky people like myself who are the recent acquirers of the faulicious Zen Vision M! As tech toys go, it's the b****cks!!?But... That ****ed ugly, hateful, and dare i say, expensi've white AV cable has left me greatly upset. Not only did Creative extort ?360 of my very precious euros for a shot at audio- visual heaven in the palm of my hand, but now they want to stick me for an extra score so I can enjoy the experience on a full- size television! Standard store bought AV cables are not compatible with the Zen Vision M, and to me this is insulting! For shame, Creative! I believed you stood for the more deviant side of the digital music industry, but alas you're another Apple in sheeps clothing!! (I'm gonna start a poll - how many minutes until this thread is removed?..)?Soooo... coming back to my original reason for posting this - is there some way of splicing and rearranging the pins on a standard AV cable to make it compatible with my new toy or will I be forced to shell out for the ungloriously white original?These little beauties are selling like hot cakes at a hot cake festival. I refuse to believe that?no-one hasn't at least contemplated this issue and any information leading to a successful result is not only welcome but greatly appreciated. Kudos to Creative for coming out with the coolest little 'look what I've got! Na na na na naa!' doohickey since God knows when but I'm beyond disgusted with this arm foced behing my back style approach to accessories!?A 95% satisfied customer,Adrian.

Thanks you guys. It would seem I have very littl eoption but to get out my credit card and buy the ugly white s.o.b. Creative should give you loyalty points, man!! I mean, we're being forced to buy the bloody gear against our will, so why not show some sympathy? Fat chance, methinks!
With regard to the length of thew cables reaching the tv, you can buy AV extension kits in any good TV/electrical store if you're feeling too mean to splurge on the RC kit. Also only?available in nappy white!! What gives?
Thanks again?for the feedback you guys.
One last question - the new updated drivers?- what do they do?
A.

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:smileyindifferent:hi, i reallly need to know how to connect the cable to the tv and the vision m.
i have tried it on many channels but i dont knw they dont work. do u have to
go to a speical place in the mp3 and click sumthin like connect to tv or what?:angry:
please if sum knws please help me!! im waitin for a reply.....:smileyindifferent:

The creative cable is not standard. You cannot use standard 3.5mm to 3xRCA AV cables. There are instructions on this forum on how to convert a standard AV cable to one that is compatible with the player.
More information on how the cable is wired is avaliable [url="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/mabrandt5/ZVMrewiringguide.jpg">Here[/url]. Not my image, someone else on the forum created it, found it in this post.
There is an article on [url="http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archi'ves/2006/04/zen-vision-m-video-cable-other-4pole-35mm-pinouts.php">anything but ipod on it as well[/url].
These are the instructions I followed to make my own cable from a standard AV cable. I can't remember who wrote it (Sorry who ever it is), so I don't pretend to take any of the credit for writing it:
Ok here is step by step (i don't have @ home atm digi photo, so i can't do shots)...
Things u'll need:
* AV cable ( 4pole mini jack -to-> 3 RCA yello', red, white)
* knife/scalpel/isolation removal tool...lighter can be a easiest way to remove isolation (when applied gently)
* isolation tape
terms:
GROUND (shield, minus, negati've) = outer wire in the cables, stronger one
HOT (plus, chnl,etc..) = inner smaler wire, caryin' signal
RCA (phonos, cynch,etc..) = those plugs u can find on most of the audio video equipment
MINI JACK (walkman jack, small banana) = can be mono, stereo or audio/video (4 poles)
It's your choice on what part of cable u want to do rewiring (close to the mini jack or close to the RCA's)
I'll describe here easier way (close to the mini jack):
- cutoff the cable close to the mini jack (leave jack with about 8-0cm of cable)
2 - remove isolation on all three cables from both sides (RCA's n mini jack)
- u should remove isolations (2-3cm) of shield/ground (outer wire) and from hot (inner wire)
- on the mini jack side: leave the RED one cable longer than yellow n white
3 - on the mini jack side: remove ground (outer wire) on YELLOW and WHITE cables and isolate
4 - on the mini jack side: remove isolation on the RED hot (inner wire) a bit longer, this is your new ground for all three RCA's, be careful that ground n hot on RED doesn't contatc so isolate em
5 - on the RCA's side: put/twist all three grounds into one wire
6 - wire RED from the jack side to the GROUND of RCA's side (look @ step 5)...isolate
7 - on the mini jack side wire RED cable's GROUND to the YELLOW's cable HOT on the RCA side, isolate
8 - on the mini jack side wire YELLOW cable's HOT to the RED HOT on the RCA side, isolate
9 - on the mini jack side wire WHITE cable's HOT to the WHITE HOT on the RCA side, isolate
0-isolate everythin' properly
enjoy ;-)
Message Edited by alloneword on 08-27-2006 :33 PM

Creative Zen Vision M 30g wont dock

Creative Zen Vision M 30g wont dockt Hello,
Purchased the above player off of ebay, the player works in everyway but will not dock with the computer. I bought this for my son for Christmas because I have one and love it. Mine docks with the computer but his will not. When I try to dock the connection will turn the player on but the docking symbol will not come on.
I have tried several different connector clips and usb cables and nothing, but all of the same clips and cables work just fine on mine. Also, when I use the wall charger for the player that does work and does charge.
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Sincerely,
Alan

Re: Creative Zen Vision M 30g wont dock?
Darthvader6 wrote:
Hello,
Purchased the above player off of ebay, the player works in everyway but will not dock with the computer. I bought this for my son for Christmas because I have one and love it. Mine docks with the computer but his will not. When I try to dock the connection will turn the player on but? the docking symbol will not come on.
I have tried several different connector clips and usb cables and nothing, but all of the same clips and cables work just fine on mine. Also, when I use the wall charger for the player that does work and does charge.
Any suggestions, and also could for some reason could the connection part at the bottom of the player be damaged in some way?
Ive tried the reboot suggestion, Ive formated the player and nothing works.
Sincerely,
Alan
Yes that could be .You may want to return to the seller if you can.Are you using WMP? Try opening Media Player & going to the sync tab to see if that helps it to load the driver for recognition.Formatting the player again could help also. In the past I have had to format more than once for a player to be seen by Windows.

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The Zen Vision:M is also chargeable via USB, connect the subpack to the bottom of the player and plug in the provided USB cable and it will begin charging. Hard dri've noise is always present but shouldn't be too noticeable unless you're in a very quiet room and heat should not be excessi've.

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I got mine yesterday in So Cal at Frys Electronic. They had all the colors..... I had the same problem. I called Creatri've and they told me they did'nt think they would sell so many. Sounds like the place I work for LOL. Lets see you will best of show at CES and you don't think you will sell a tun? I wanted to buy from the creative store but they have been out for a long time. I think they have them now.
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Is there a way to get a Creative Zen Vision M 30gb to work on a Vista computer? It will save me buying my son a new MP3 player. Thanks.

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Re: Creative Zen Vision Md
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Stijn van Vilsteren?
DUTCH?
i am sorry for my pore english !

Squipy wrote:
Hi, I stopped using this MP3 for about 2 or so years because I bought a new one. I decided to start using it again and downloaded all the required software but as soon as I unplugged the MP3 from the power outlet, the player died. I can't get it to start up without plugging it into a power outlet. I think it has rechargable battery? Why didn't it recharge itself?
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Creative Zen Vision M question!

Creative Zen Vision M question!?Hey guys, I'm not from US but I hope you will understand my english anyway .
So here's my question:
Is there any legal way to get one of "creative zen vison m" players? I prefer new products... 60gb would be awesome..
Since Im fed up with Apple and got already n Touch i simply want a player with a good capacity and just to listen to music... and i pretty much liked the creative zen vision m player... more than any new product from creative... all of em are more like multimedia and not "classy"....
Furthermore I just find the product over google at customers site... if i browse all mp3players from creative I cant find the product i want.... It would be awesome if anyone knows a way to get a new one of these... and it would be kickass if it could get delieverd to EU/Austria
At the end, thx for all the upcoming posts n answers and a picture of the desired product:
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://img.tomshardware.com/de/2006/02/06/zen_vision_m_creative_antwort_auf_den_ipod/vision02.jpg"]http://img.tomshardware.com/de/2006/02/06/zen_vision_m_creative_antwort_auf_den_ipod/vision02.jpg[/url]

really? :/ I dont like ebay and would prefer a new product... is there no other solution? Like writing to the customers and make out a good price for em to get a new of zen vision m?
Otherwise, i know it doesnt fit here, but does any knows an "classy" player with about 30-60gig... like ipod classic, just for music n maybe photos... I dont need any multimedia .. got touch already...
If anyone knows a good one which looks nice post here, would be awesome
(I hope asking for other brands is allowed :S, otherwise sorry)

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I've read a lot of posts and think the only way to find a possible solution to my problem is to just post it....
I've had my Creative Zen Vision M (30gb) for about?2.5 years, apart from crashing a few times, I've always loved it and would never go near Ipod!
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