Credit Check with Third Party Process

Hi Gurz,
I know about third party process but my problem is with credit check of the customers.
If customer has not got enough credit limit to process the order in normal senario credit controller has to manually release the order as system blocks it. In third party process system will give you warning message when saving sales order about customer credit limit but allows you to save sales order. Once saving sales order it authomatically creates Purchase Requisition. From PR purchasing creates P.O. with out knowing about customer credit limit issue. and so on. In other words goods supplied to customer even though credit limit has exceeded. This user don't know untill raising the invoice to the customer which is too late.
Can we stop creating Purchase requisition or block purchase requistion for credit check ? or there are better way of handling the process for credit check?
Thanks in advance

Hi,
Try to implement OSS note -738171 - Delivery block does not influence purchase requisition.
Following is the details of the note;
Summary
Symptom
The delivery block in a sales order does not prevent the generattion of the purchase requisition in a third-party or individual purchase order item. Regardless of the Customizing settings in the delivery block, the system confirms the TAB or TAS item and generates the purchase requisition.
More Terms
Order, purchase requisition, PReq, TAB, individual purchase order, individual purchase order item, TAS, third-party, third-party item, SD order, delivery block, VBAK-LIFSK, VBEP-LIFSP
Cause and Prerequisites
Solution
Create a user-specific user requirement (for example, 902: BEDINGUNG_PRUEFEN_902 in Include LV07A902) as a copy of standard user requirement 102 and assign it to requirement 'Preq' by using Transaction OVB5.
In the source code of the user-requirement, program a check for the delivery block which, if necessary, triggers an ERROR_EXCEPTION which prevents the generation of the purchase requisition.
You can use the existing check for the credit block as a template.
Regards,

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2) Intercompany Invoice under the co. code in which plant is maintained which is used at the sales order level as delivering plant.
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It ' s good to see all of your opinion . But my problem has not been resolved .
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in third party order processing what is the need of creating purchase requisition, cant we create purchase order with out refrence to puchase requisition?
Thanks and regards
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hi
Yes, wat you said is correct we can create PO with Reference to PR.
In some situation we need to show this information to the auditing people ( Internal Process ) for that they need to show the reference doct, beacause of this order only we are created PO..
And also one more scenario
One customer is palcing material for 100 item but we have only 80 in that case we need to deliver the good the customer from our third party vendor in this sitution also we need some refrence document which is linked to Our Order..
Because we need to create PR
Ihope it is clear, Rewards if it is Usefule
Regards
Durga Prasad
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1. Create Vendor XK01
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3. Assign Item Category TAS to Order type that you are going to use.
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5. With reference to SO a PO is created (ME21N). The company raises PO to the vendor.
6. Vendor delivers the goods and raises bill to company. MM receives the invoice MIRO
7. Goods receipt MIGO
8. Goods issue
9. The item cat TAS or Schedule line cat CS is not relevant for delivery which is evident from the config and, therefore, there is no delivery process attached in the whole process of Third party sales.
10. Billing
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VA01
Order Type
Sales org, distr chnl, div
Enter
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PO #
Material
Quantity
Enter
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Item ->Schedule Item
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Save
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Click on "Process assignment"
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Save
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Batch tab , click on classification
Serial Numbers tab
Date of Production
Flag Item OK
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> 1. I want to tell the subcontractors to send finished goods to our customers. There is a field in the PO - 'customer number' which will tell the subcontractor where to deliver to. However this field is only active for 'third party POs' (item category S). I have a subcontractor PO (item category L), so this field is inactive. How do I activate this?
>
> 2. Finished goods are sent to the customer, so I assume I should be creating a statistical goods receipt. However my GR is an actual posting. How do I make it statistical?
>
> 3. Delivering goods from an external supplier involves creating another PO and filling in the 'SC vendor field'. How do I tie this PO to the subcontract PO?
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Hello SD Consultants.
Recently i joined in a company...so here we implement third party process.. My colleague has implemented third party process.
here he has done...va01...me21n...migo...miro and vfo1......but when i take coaching they dint say about migo in third party...so
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MIGO - goods recipt, MIRO - invoice verification.
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You are right concept wise. Ask ur friend or team leader and try to have a discussion on business process.
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No you have mistaken my idea, it was not a formula just i was giving example.
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Hello Friends,
Need Your Inputs for below issue"
in third party process: SO is created with 2 line items, -->PR-->PO--> Vendor delivers only 1 item and MIRO is done for it,
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During Creation of Customer invoice Both Line items are considered in the Invoice(F2)
1st line item with the Value of X Rs, and 2nd Line item with zero value ( as there is no delivery done to customer and hence no invoice via MIRO)
Requirement is:
The 2nd Line item should not be considered at all during Customer invoice creation.
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Kinldy help
regards

hello srinu..
SO is created with 2 line items, PR is auto created. 1 PO is created (with 2 line items)
MIRO is done w.r.t PO line item 10 only,
then when i create customer invoice from SO i get 2 line items, for 1st line item there is value populated. 2nd line item has zero value,
The requirement is that if there is no Processing of SO for line item 2 ,, then it should not be populated in the customer invoice.
Regards

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