Critical Surround Sound bug in Logic 8

Unlike many of you I purchased Logic 8 to do surround sound mixing. I liked the fact that it included Sound track Pro. I quickly realized after purchasing it that soundtrack pro had its limitations with regard to doing full audio post for film projects that i am accustomed to doing here in Los Angeles. I turned to Logic as an alternative only to find out that the surround panner is inadequate and somewhat limited when trying to automate it. The issue is that when trying to do a 360 degree pan counter clockwise the node reverses itself clockwise once you cross the 180 degree position in the plane or center of the rear speakers and then continues its counter clockwise 360 degree path. This causes a noticeable stutter in the audio as there is a 1 to 2 millisecond delay that occurs. This also occurs when moving the node from left to right across the rear speakers. I have posted this message to bring attention to this issue in hopes of getting this resolved quickly. I have used many surround sound programs and this is the first time that i have ever encountered this type of problem.

DJWillis wrote:
Since this morphed a little into a Logic vs PT threads as for benefits and drawback, one question always occurs to me when I see any post on surround sound: do you know ANYONE who has a surround sound system in their home who is just a regular consumer, and not a pro audio person testing a mix?
I don't. Surround sound is only for theatrical releases, and it's just small component of seeing a film. No one goes or doesn't go to a movie because it does or doesn't have dolby blah blah surround up the wazoo! Who cares? No one. They just want to see a good movie.
I'm always amazed that this marketing gimmick has had any impact. I mix music in stereo. Period. When I edit movies I edit in stereo. Period. No one has ever asked for surround for delivery. But then again, I won't work for the studios.
Surround sound is like 3-D movies -- pretty silly and extraneous to the entertainment experience. (I just saw "Coraline" last night -- my date and I were underwhelmed. It was nice -- but nothing earth-shattering, and hardly worth the whole 3-D effort.)
Sorry to rant, but it's all just so silly. Going from mono to stereo was awesome I'm sure in its day. Same for going from black & white to color and silent to sound. And from VHS to DVD.
But from stereo to surround? Pass. I'm not stringing up a bunch of speakers around the living room because my life is so boring I need to hear sounds behind me when I'm watching a movie!
Hi DJ,
My next door neighbor has a 7.1 system, and has a few audio-only titles. He wishes there were more.
My uncle, a general contractor, also has a 5.1 system in his home, and mostly watches movies with it. He does have an Eagles concert DVD in surround, and likes it a lot.
When I went to Circuit City, which is going out of business, I asked the pro sound guy what was flying off the shelves, and he stated two things : cameras, and surround theater systems.
As to your statement in red, you should probably become a member of either the NARAS, or the AES, they have both conducted research, with doctors both of physics and medicine, about what is more important, both consciously, and sub-consciously, to a human observer, when viewing a moving picture, both with and without sound.
Both guilds agreed that the sound was more important in judging the realism, and therefore what was believed, than any picture without sound, or an picture with poor sound. The determining factor for when an observer was more involved in the experience always ended up being related to the sound, and it's quality, or lack thereof.
And this research was done a while ago. A nice Canadian fellow has been conducting research on this since 1969 :
http://www.psych.mcgill.ca/labs/auditory/laboratory.html
And his book :
http://www.psych.mcgill.ca/labs/auditory/book.html
Let me know if it's too deep for ya... I'll try to find something a little less technical.
Cheers

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