CROP MARK color problem

Hi all
I've got a problem in crop marks; while distilling the ps file it generates log file as crop mark is in cmyk. I've used indesign crop mark option while generate PS file. Pls help on this issue.
thanks in advance

Crop marks should use CMYK and any other colour like spot colours when making a full colour document for print.
Printing is CMYK so the colour of each crop mark has to be in CMYK to be seen on every printing plate. This helps the printers print each colour on top of each other, called registration.
Usually the crop marks created using the REGISTRATION colour in Indesign, which will use all the colours you have used in your document, including Cyan Magenta Yellow and Black and any other colour you have used in the document.
Have you got colour images anywhere in the document?

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Crop marks, color management, .psd files

Hi.
Working in AI 10. Have XP. PS7
I have my color settings set at the North America Prepress 2 for every adobe program except AI 10 because it is not listed. I have it on the North America Prepress without the "2"
I have been told that if I create a PS document that needs crop marks, to simply place it into AI & create the crop marks there for the printer if I need to show bleeds.
When I print the AI file with crop marks, the color does not match the PS file printed.
Is there anything I can do?

And you've double-checked your color settings (not just the overall preset but the individual options)?
One way to make sure you have the same settings in both apps is to save out a color settings file (.csf) in one application and apply it in the other. Just hit the SAVE button in the color settings dialog and give your settings a unique name before saving it to a location that you can easily find again. In the corresponding dialog in your other application, use the LOAD button.
I have PS 7-10 and AI 8/10/12 on a machine here, so, just to make sure, I just did a quick test with a CMYK image with the same versions as you. I show no color shift whatsoever between the PSD opened in Photoshop and placed in Illustrator.
As to the jagged text, realize that you're not looking at editable text once you've placed the PSD in AI. It's just part of the raster image at that point. Therefore, it does not benefit from any AI text anti-aliasing. What you're seeing is the difference in on-screen raster anti-aliasing between PS 7 and AI 10. This does not affect the printout.
I'm sorry, but without seeing your settings, I have little else to suggest.
P.S. - I see you are comparing printouts from the two applications. Since you are working in CMYK, I assume you're printing to a PostScript device. If not, you might be looking at slight differences in the way PS 7 and AI 10 deal with sending CMYK data to an RGB device (such as a typical desktop inkjet printer).
If you
are printing to a PostScript proofer, I'd ask to see your print-time settings in both applications.
If your printing company wants the AI file, send it to them and ask them for a digital contract proof before committing to press.

Changing the colors of crop marks

Hi guys.
I´m printing a small job off a inkjet printer and the paper I´m using is black.
So, is there a way to change color of the corner crop marks?
Thank you.

I've never had need nor found a way to change the color from black myself, and I recall another question similar to yours in which the answerer stated it couldn't be done. Unfortunately the forum search feature seems to be broken at the moment.
You could, of course, create your own image that's a bit larger than your print size, complete with black background and white or colored crop marks, then paste your image over it as a second layer. I realize that's nowhere near as convenient as just ticking the checkbox in the print dialog.
Out of curiosity, what kind of inkjet/inks can print on black paper? Sounds like you could get some really cool effects, and I haven't heard of it before.
-Noel

Greeting cards SRA3 "crop marks" problem.

Hello all
Am using: InDesign CS2 v4.0.5 - PC Windows XP.
I am trying to set up layout and crop marks for four A5 greeting cards (print to edge) onto an SRA3 sheet but when the print firm prints out a proof of the SRA3 sheet, the crop marks, that I put in myself, don't appear.
The measurements I think I am right in using for the greeting cards are: width: 432mm (210mm X 2 + four 3mm bleeds) height: 308mm (148mm X 2 + four 3mm bleeds).
Do I start by setting up (In document setup) the width and height of an SRA3 sheet (width:450mm height:320mm) with any or no bleed and slug settings, or would it be better to set the document up from the beginning as 432mm X 308mm (the size of the 4 cards plus bleeds)?
Have been struggling with this for four days so any help would be greatly appreciated.
kind regards
carly

It depends, but I would expect you to create the four A5 greetings cards
with the bleed and export to PDF with all the marks. Then the printer
will place them (impose) on to one SRA3 sheet. She/he gets to decide if
the marks show or not. You just have to make sure they are in the PDF
you send him/her.
What is your printer telling you?

Test: Using Crop marks in indesign CS4 with Epson 3800 Mac 10.5.7

Jun 19, 2009 9:35 PM
Crop marks using indesign CS4 with Epson 3800 Mac 10.5.7
My crop marks and pages are printing larger than my document sizes. My paper size is 13x19, so I should have crop marks at the exact corners of the page sizes. But indesign is printing the entire document larger. So my document which is 11x14.75 is now printing 11.25x15.5. All my settings are correct. So, is anyone else using an Epson 3800 with CS4 indesign having issues such as the above? And can I ask (beg) a few of you to do a test print with crop marks and let me know the results?
My workflow has been completely stalled because I can't get my pages to print the right sizes with the crop marks at the right measurements. I'm printing a photo portfolio on the Lumijet double sided paper and "when" it did work awhile back sometime several months ago, the finals looked great. I've already reinstalled both the Epson 3800 driver and the Indesign CS4 software, but the results are still the same.
So, here are my settings:
document size: 11x14.75
in the print panel:
Printer: Epson 3800
Setup: Paper size: Super A3/B13x19, scale 100% width & height, page position Centered
Marks & Bleed: Marks: "Crop Marks" checked. offset: 0, weight: .25, Bleed and Slug: Use Document bleed settings, include slug area. The bleed is 0 for top, bottom, left and right
Color Management: Document profile: Adobe RGB, Options: Indesign handles colors, Printer Profile: (A custom made profile using Xrite for the 3800 with Lumijet paper)
The settings on the Epson 3800
Epson 3800 Printer
Presets (set for the profile mentioned above)
No Color management
Sometimes, on a whim, the printer and indesign cooperate together like good little children should. But not often. And I can not conclude why they are nice to each other sometimes, but given the same detailed data at other times, they fight.
If anyone could run through a similar process using indesign with a photo layout and setting up the printer settings for both the Epson 3800 and in the indesign program and let me know their results, I would value your conclusions very much. You don't even have to waste paper or ink. Finally, after wasting so many pages of paper and of ink. I deleted the photos from the page, and printed it blank with only the crop marks for me to measure if it was coming out right or not.
Thank you for any response. And feel free to call me if you want to vent about Epson 3800's or about Indesign CS4 anytime! I'm up late.... 646 256 8853.
Thaddeus

I specified the paper size as strictly 13x19, no boarderless, no retain size. Same problem. I also did as you suggested below. The pdf document does remain true to the document. As a pdf doc. I changed the color mgmt to Adobe rgb 1998. It looks okay, but not as lively as I get when printing correctly with my color mgmt working and in sync.
Your final question about simply using photoshop. Well... I might go back to it and give up on Indesign if this is the case that it won't simply crop my documents to the sizes that I input them to be cropped as. But, I am using Indesign so that I can create a page layout that I can't do in Photoshop. My folio is about 25 or more pages with double page spreads. I am printing on a two-sided Lumijet paper and my folio was custom designed to be cut out at 11x14.75. If and when it is printed correctly, I am printing on both sides of the paper and trimming it to exact size.
It sounds as if you have exhausted the potential problems and don't have a clear explanation for why the doc isn't printing correctly in Indesign either with the color mgmt. or the document sizes. I'll try one more print using a different color profile similar enough to get at minimum, an okay print. If it doesn't print at least okay, then it isn't most likely my profile..... Okay done. Crazy. The color is inaccurate, but for some reason or another, the document size printed correctly. It measured exactly 11x14.75. What I have done during this period of time is:
First) I did as you suggested and turned the Print to Adobe PDF 9 and created a print there. I measured it and it did measure correctly. I didn't love the color, but... at least it is measuring correctly.
Second) I turned the Printer back to Epson 3800 (I'm beginning to think that this simple gesture was what caused the printer to print correctly) I didn't change any settings, but I did make sure that they were set correctly as before. The paper size was set to 13x19. When I make sure this setting is right in the "printer" dialogue for the Epson 3800, and then switch back to ID, the printer dialogue in Id changes to "Define by Printer." But I changed nothing, other than the profile to an older one that I used before. The color is still inaccurate, but at least for two prints just now back to back, the measurements were correct. What to do? Lol.
Thanks again for all of your time spent trying to resolve this issue.
Sincerely,
Thaddeus

Crop Marks not in correct place when Bleed applied - possible Bug/Error?

Apologies if anyone has posted this elsewhere - I checked the Help, FAQ, Forums and Googled it - but I really can't find a solution to this minor problem I'm having.
I have created a document that will be cut to 120mm x 120mm, I wanted to include a 10mm bleed around it so I made my Photoshop doc 140mm x 140mm.
When I go to the Print dialogue I have checked "Corner Crop Marks", set the bleed to 10mm and in the preview I can see that the crop marks are inside the image, marking out the correct 120x120 area. However, when I click Print the marks appear on the paper at the 140mm x 140mm area.
Has anyone else had this error, and even more importantly, has anyone found a solution?
I am using Photoshop CS3 (a site license of Web Premium), on a Mac G5 running Windows XP SP2. I have other machines & Photoshop versions available, I am going to test it on them to try and find out where the problem lies.
I am producing guides to using Photoshop at the moment and I don't want to include something that can't be done!
Kev Gilmour

Wow... I'm using Photoshop CS5 for Windows and have just encountered this very same problem. The print preview shows the corner crop marks in the correct location as designated by the Bleed... setting (.1"); but when I print, the bleed setting gets ignored and the corner crop marks revert to the outer edges of the image.
This happens when I print to my Epson color laser or to my Brother b/w laser. It occurred to me to try one other test - and interestingly enough, when I printed to a PDF, the corner marks appeared correctly in the output!
So far, I haven't found any other information on this apparent bug besides this ancient thread.
Anyone willing to test this out and give their results? Thanks!
Archer

2-up saddle stitch, booklet feature, crop marks

Hi.
I'd like to make two flyers on one 8.5 x 11 size of paper.
I have made the flyer 5.5x8.5.
I put a .125 bleed alllll around so the size is actually 5.75x8.75 of the flyers.
So I used the booklet feature & I think I have a problem. The two flyers are next to each other. The bleeds look fine on the outter edges where the paper will be cut against the crop marks. I am having problems within the center between the two. They are overlapping each other & according to the crop mark (which I believe is placed accurate), a tiny part of the flyer on the right will go on to the left flyer. Am I supposed to do something different with sizing?
Before I started the booklet. I made 4 pages in the size of 5.75x8.75. (there is a front & back to the flyer).
Then I did the saddle stitch 2 - up. I basically left most of the defaults there except unchecking everything but crop marks.
Please help me understand.
Thank you in advance!

Jules,
When you use bleed the object is to allow enough space so that misalignment on the cutter will still give you acceptable results. This means that you need to separate the two pages slightly and trim the inside edge of both, along with all of the outside edges, rather than trying to get away with splitting them apart right where they join in a single cut (that can work for non-bleed layouts, but is just too iffy for color to the edge).
There is no way you can put two 5.5 x 8.5 pages together on one 8.5 x 11 sheet if they bleed. Even if you didn't have a problem in the center (and you can butt them if you remove bleed from the inside edge, but as I said, don't try it that way, especially on a desktop printer), you'd have a problem on the outer edges where you run into the non-printing area on the printer. The preview doesn't show you that. :)
Peter

Crop Marks...etc Do Not Print

When outputting film to the rip or laser printer the crop marks and register marks will not print. Even if you add gutter to the job and create your own marks and color them with register black. They also will not output. Using CS6 and CC versions.

Peter Spier wrote:
I'm going to recheck this though since it's possible I had no other K in the file besides the reg marks.
Yep, my bad. There was no K on the page other than the K componenet of Registration. When I add anything with K I get marks on 4 plates.
That implies that there is no bug, and that there is some problem specific to cookie duster's system. I'd say the first order of business would be to try a prefs replacement. See Replace Your Preferences

Adobe Illustrator CC 2014 - Custom Crop Marks?

Hello all,
I've been looking for a solution to this problem for some time now, and am hoping to find help here!!
Adobe Illustrator CC 2014 - want to be able to customize how crop marks are created through Object>Create Trim Marks. Does anyone know of any plugins that could achieve this? Manually shrinking and shifting the crop marks takes too much time...
Thanks in advance to any contributors!

I know of no plugins for this.
The fastest way we found was to use Libraries.
1. Make one set of trim marks and save it in the library.
2. On a new document, make a box the trim size of your doc.
3. Snap guides to the 4 edges of the box.
4. Drag out the crop marks (double, triple, with registration marks, or whatever you created in your original Library item).
5. Snap each of four mark sets to the guide corners.
Voila.

Multiple crop marks in Ai CS3

Ai CS3, Win Xp Pro
I'm setting up business cards for two color printing and need crop marks around each card. Total of 4 cards, 7 cuts. In searching for Multiple Cropmarks on the internet, I'm finding articles that say it's not possible. However, I'm now looking at an Adobe livedocs help page that says:
Define and view additional crop areas
Select the Crop Area tool, and then do any of the following:
To create a new crop area, hold down Alt (Windows) or Option (Mac OS) and drag. Each crop area has a unique number in the upper-left corner.
To view all crop areas, press Alt (Windows) or Option (Mac OS).
To set a crop area as the active crop area, hold down Alt (Windows) or Option (Mac OS) and click the crop area you want active.
To rotate between crop areas, press Alt (Windows) or Option (Mac OS) and click an arrow key.
When I select the first cropped area with the crop tool, and attempt to copy it using the ALT key, a number 1 shows up in the upper left corner (ok so far). But as soon as I let go of the mouse button, the cropped area just moves to the place I've copied it to, and still has the number 1 in the corner. When I have the crop tool selected, and an area defined, I can press Enter and get a menu. There is an exclamation icon at the bottom signifying "Crop areas: 1", but there's no box to select multiple crops.
Am I SOL, or is there a trick to this?
Thanks,
Sandoer

Ok, I've sort of answered my own question with a little more research.
For those that search this topic, here's what I discovered:
If you have several items that need to be cut, such as business cards, 8 or 10 up on an 8.5x11 sheet, you can
+create a stroked box at 2x3.5 (for business cards) around each card.
+one at a time, select a box and from the drop down menus select Filter>Create>Crop marks.
This will create marks that a printer can use for multiple cuts.

Set Marker Color Bug

I was relieved after much digging to find you can make a keyboard shortcut to make a marker of a specific color with just one click. As opposed to making a marker and then going back to it to change its color.
However for some reason when using this while playing a clip, this only works in a timeline, or on a video clip. When I use the same command on an audio only file, i.e. music cue. It just creates a marker of the default color 1. - This is only when playing the clip. If you park the playhead it works as expected no mater what the clip is.
I'm frustrated, because the main reason I needed this feature was to tap out the beats in music for easier editing while I listen to the music cue (in real time). I like to use color 1 for each beat in the 4-4 measure, and on the fourth measure tap out a new color so i can see where it repeats.. that way I can easily cut from color 2 to color 2 almost anywhere in the song seamlessly. Sometimes I choose a third color when the melody loops so I know I can smoothly truncate a song with little to no effort.
I noticed after the fact I can jump back to the marker and change it's color with the tool.. it just won't do it on an audio file while it's playing.
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To map it open up keyboard shortcuts and sift for "set marker color"

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I think that it is a bug, because component, for which I set attribute, has client id like: UIDataId:rowIndex:componentId. I set value to component on the third row, and have this value on components on the third and the fifth row.
To tell the truth, I am sure, that it is a bug. If it is not so, please tell me, how an I set attribute value to component, which I need. Is there any way? I think, no. And it is a bug.

Crop Marks – is this how they work?

I haven't had to use crop marks before – my books have been printed on sheets the same size as the InDesign page. Now however, I am about to print a small book, 4-Up, on sheets larger than the page size, so I will need to add crop marks. I want to run my understanding of how to place crop marks on the page and how they will be used by the guillotine man, past some of the experts on this forum.
And before anyone says: "Crop marks are the printer's job. Just let him do it", or somesuch comment – in this case it's not the printer's job, it's mine. I've chosen to do everything: the writing, the layout, purchase of the paper (910 x 650 sheets), the cutting of the paper, the imposition, the printing, arranging the cutting of the sheets, and then the binding. So, I need to know about crop marks. This is what I have discovered, or guessed (please correct me if I'm wrong):
Assume a page size in InDesign of 100 x 200 mm. When you export to PDF and tick Crop Marks and set Offset to a certain dimension, two things happen:
The page size is increased to (100 + 2 (Offset + 5.3)) in width, and (200 + 2 (Offset + 5.3)) in height. In the case of an offset of 5 mm, the page dimensions of the PDF become 120.6 x 220.6 mm.
Crop marks of 5.3mm in length (5/12"), are placed at the four corners of the new page pointing inwards to the original page size. Thus, in this case, there is a gap of 5mm, the chosen offset, between the end of the crop marks and the original page. This offset allows for movement of the sheets during printing, so that when the crops are made the crop marks won't appear on any of the pages. i.e. the offset is greater than the expected sheet movement.
The guillotine man, when he comes to cut the sheets, lines up the narrow beam of light from the guillotine with one of the crop marks – and cuts that edge. Now there are only two crop marks left because two have been cut off in this first cut.
The guillotine man then rotates the sheets 90º and cuts again. Now there is only one crop mark left.
The sheets are again rotated, the beam of light lined up with the remaining crop mark, and the third cut is made. There are no more crop marks left.
For the final cut, the sheets are rotated 90º, but as there are no crop marks left, the appropriate dimension has to be entered into the guillotine (or marked out on the top sheet), and the cut is made.
I have yet to confirm with my guillotine man that steps 3-6 describe how he will do it. That's simply how I imagine it would happen. And in the case of 4-Up, a couple of extra cuts will be needed in the centre, depending on how the imposed pages are positioned.
Is the above an accurate description of how crop marks are inserted and how they are used?

Thanks for the responses.
Stix: Personally if adding Crop marks in InDesign (I prefer to use an imposition program) I like to make them even numbers, e.g. 3mm offset and 7mm long crop marks, whoch give a PDF size that is bigger by 10mm on each side.
Yes, it would make it easier if numbers were whole integers. But how do you tell InDesign to make a certain-length crop mark? I assumed it was fixed at 30 point (5/24" = 5.292 mm).
cdflash: I'm sure there are good answers to all of these questions but they are not in the opening post.
I tried to keep my question as simple as possible, hence I didn't elaborate. But to answer some of your queries…
Or is the OP going to impose each sheet with 24 pages to view?… I am imposing using only InDesign using a method I developed. It's a very flexible method and works beautifully for 2-Up and 4-Up. Some of the imposition software I trialled several years ago was highly sus and not capable, for example, of generating variable-length signatures. I suppose the up-market programs would be okay, but I can't justify spending thousands on a program I might only use a few times.
Out of interest: can the software you suggested, Creo Preps, impose with these signature lengths: 6,6,4,4,4,8 (numbers of sheets per signature; total 128 pages)?
How many pages are in the book? How many copies of the book are required?… Size of Coracina is 148.5mm x 191 mm, 128 pages, 50 copies. The figures I gave for page size were examples only.
… and impose so that the pages get cut out as single pages and then hand-collated?… Printed sheets are 4-Up on SRA3. I chose SRA3 late in the piece when the printer told me that the click-charge was the same no matter what the paper size. Prior to that I was intending to print on A4. Printing costs are now halved.
Why is the OP handling this and not the printer?… I like a challenge, I like to be in control of the process, I like to learn, and I like to save money.
Tanksinker
Check out the images at the bottom of https://sites.google.com/site/tanksinker/Home/max-burns-tanksinker if you'd like to see how I make a book. Doing it all myself results in huge savings. Tanksinker cost me about $10,000 all up, only half of which I got back in sales. It's a hobby. I don't expect or want to profit from it. To print 50 copies of Tanksinker commercially, judging by what a local offset printer told me, would have cost $50k-100k for the plates alone (2 proofs, 400x4 plates each proof, $20-30/plate).
Coracina
I have been to see the guillotine man after reading all the posts above, and he confirmed that the crop marks I was using would be suitable (I just drew them on a piece of paper; I didn't show him the real thing). He did make a useful suggestion: he would trim the SRA3 sheet along the top and bottom of each book-spread (4 horizontal trims), but not trim to the left and right crop marks (vertical trims) because that would be done anyway when trimming the fore-edge after the book was sewn and glued.
A sample page of Coracina, with crop marks ready for printing, can be downloaded here: http://www.mediafire.com/?5eidx1c61o7jrjx
Printing of the first three copies is tomorrow morning, Tasmania time. If the crop marks on the sample, or any other aspect of the layout looks in any way sus or likely to cause problems, please let me know.
Oh, and I should add that Coracina is my partner's book. Way too girly for me. I'm just the technical consultant, shall I say.

Crop Marks on the image

Hi All
I am producing some exhibition panels and our printer would like the crop marks actually on the image. When I export to PDF the crop marks appear in a white area around the image - is there any way I can remove that white area and show the crop marks on the image?
Thanks

Daniel lists two choices. A third choice is to use InDesign's custom cropmarks feature, which came up twice today! Wow!
See http://forums.adobe.com/message/3637984#3637984, etc. for some more details. It is a bit tricky to set up, but works well once it is done.
I'd like to second Daniel's second post:
We're approaching a point where a screen shot of your pdf's might be worth a thousand words.
Please post a mock-up of what you want, it would be very much more helpful!
Macinbytes wrote:
If you have illustrator you can remove the marks. InDesign's marks will
be .25 pt Registration 100% stroke and have a 1.25 pt Registration 0%
stroke behind them.
If I may, I would like to strongly disagree with this suggestion. Illustrator is not a tool for generic editing of PDF files. It has been known to cause problems when editing mildly complicated InDesign documents, and the set of PDF files it can edit and operations it can perform is not a superset of InDesign's. It is partially overlapping.
Also, any hand-editing of marks is going to be a pain. Why include the marks if you are just going to remove them? Mark them in InDesign as Peter suggests.

Crop marks using indesign CS4 with Epson 3800 Mac 10.5.7

My crop marks and pages are printing larger than my document sizes. My paper size is 13x19, so I should have crop marks at the exact corners of the page sizes. But indesign is printing the entire document larger. So my document which is 11x14.75 is now printing 11.25x15.5. All my settings are correct. So, is anyone else using an Epson 3800 with CS4 indesign having issues such as the above? And can I ask (beg) a few of you to do a test print with crop marks and let me know the results?
My workflow has been completely stalled because I can't get my pages to print the right sizes with the crop marks at the right measurements. I'm printing a photo portfolio on the Lumijet double sided paper and "when" it did work awhile back sometime several months ago, the finals looked great. I've already reinstalled both the Epson 3800 driver and the Indesign CS4 software, but the results are still the same.
So, here are my settings:
document size: 11x14.75
in the print panel:
Printer: Epson 3800
Setup: Paper size: Super A3/B13x19, scale 100% width & height, page position Centered
Marks & Bleed: Marks: "Crop Marks" checked. offset: 0, weight: .25, Bleed and Slug: Use Document bleed settings, include slug area. The bleed is 0 for top, bottom, left and right
Color Management: Document profile: Adobe RGB, Options: Indesign handles colors, Printer Profile: (A custom made profile using Xrite for the 3800 with Lumijet paper)
The settings on the Epson 3800
Epson 3800 Printer
Presets (set for the profile mentioned above)
No Color management
Sometimes, on a whim, the printer and indesign cooperate together like good little children should. But not often. And I can not conclude why they are nice to each other sometimes, but given the same detailed data at other times, they fight.
If anyone could run through a similar process using indesign with a photo layout and setting up the printer settings for both the Epson 3800 and in the indesign program and let me know their results, I would value your conclusions very much. You don't even have to waste paper or ink. Finally, after wasting so many pages of paper and of ink. I deleted the photos from the page, and printed it blank with only the crop marks for me to measure if it was coming out right or not.
Thank you for any response. And feel free to call me if you want to vent about Epson 3800's or about Indesign CS4 anytime! I'm up late.... 646 256 8853.
Thaddeus

You need the InDesign forum.

Crop marks nightmare

I have to supply a multi-page brochure to a client. I can't contact the printers directly so my dilemma is - do I add crop marks? Is this the norm for brochures going to print?- I'm reading all sorts of conflicting info on this and want get my facts straight before contacting the client.
(I can't seem to get rid of the crop marks (that aren't needed) in the centre of the double page spread. I know there's a plug in (print booklet) to resolve this problem but that doesn't seem to produce the same export results. When using same high res export settings with and without plug in - the plug in produces a file size that is 10mb less. This worries me....
What's the best way forward? If you were supplying a brochure would you generally put crop marks or leave them for printer to add?

Thanks for the replies.
The job is to be A4 booklet saddle-stiched A3 spread. When I export with the default crop marks it produces crop marks in the middle spread - just need corner crop marks.But how do I do that?
Think the client prefers the whole brochure as a single PDF rather than each page as individual pdfs. We have the bleed set to 3mm. Assumed the crop marks would be at the page edge (before bleed starts) - what is the offset setting for? Not sure I understand.
We are packaging as a pdf.
What's the norm? should we supply with crop marks? Is this something always expected by printers or is it something printers prefer to do themselves?
Sorry for all the questions...

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