Crop marks, color management, .psd files

Hi.
Working in AI 10. Have XP. PS7
I have my color settings set at the North America Prepress 2 for every adobe program except AI 10 because it is not listed. I have it on the North America Prepress without the "2"
I have been told that if I create a PS document that needs crop marks, to simply place it into AI & create the crop marks there for the printer if I need to show bleeds.
When I print the AI file with crop marks, the color does not match the PS file printed.
Is there anything I can do?

And you've double-checked your color settings (not just the overall preset but the individual options)?
One way to make sure you have the same settings in both apps is to save out a color settings file (.csf) in one application and apply it in the other. Just hit the SAVE button in the color settings dialog and give your settings a unique name before saving it to a location that you can easily find again. In the corresponding dialog in your other application, use the LOAD button.
I have PS 7-10 and AI 8/10/12 on a machine here, so, just to make sure, I just did a quick test with a CMYK image with the same versions as you. I show no color shift whatsoever between the PSD opened in Photoshop and placed in Illustrator.
As to the jagged text, realize that you're not looking at editable text once you've placed the PSD in AI. It's just part of the raster image at that point. Therefore, it does not benefit from any AI text anti-aliasing. What you're seeing is the difference in on-screen raster anti-aliasing between PS 7 and AI 10. This does not affect the printout.
I'm sorry, but without seeing your settings, I have little else to suggest.
P.S. - I see you are comparing printouts from the two applications. Since you are working in CMYK, I assume you're printing to a PostScript device. If not, you might be looking at slight differences in the way PS 7 and AI 10 deal with sending CMYK data to an RGB device (such as a typical desktop inkjet printer).
If you
are printing to a PostScript proofer, I'd ask to see your print-time settings in both applications.
If your printing company wants the AI file, send it to them and ask them for a digital contract proof before committing to press.

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