Cross Reference, Paragraph Style conflict?

I'm created an epub file and have a cross reference for one of my chapter titles. When I export it to ADE the final product has the cross reference in the file but the paragraph style for the text that I linked lost all of it's styling somehow. The paragraph style is supposed to be centered and have space after it but it is completely gone but the code is still in the xhtml file.
I have opened the xhtml file and cannot see where the issue is. Has anyone else had this problem exporting from CS4? If so, how do you fix it?
Thank you so much!

According to the FM7 Help, the variables for background text frame use might be:
<$paranumonly[paratag]>
to pick up the first instance on a page, and
<$paranumonly[+,paratag]>
to pick up the last.
The "+," bit is the key. I've never tried it myself.
This presumably also assumes that the paras of interest all have the same format name.

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GarrettTV wrote:
Peter,
I understand that this is probably a more specific use of the feature, no doubt. It is ultimately unrealistic to expect a program to work exactly as each individual user's project approach dictates. I dont take the comment as a slam, dont fret.
My confusion and concern ultimately stems from the fact that, on the surface (granted, I am definitely not a programmer ), it seems like the ability to directly reference the page number would be, almost inherently, already built-in in the sense that the page number is recognized as a product of content placement. In other words, if the cross-reference knows that changes to the document composition have caused my referenced content to move from auto-numbered page 36 to auto-numbered page 37, yet the reference cannot exist to simply the page number itself. It has to exist via the content on taht page. Hopefully I have provided and explanation which makes sense!
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If I understand your description correctly, it seems that you're asking for an unusual numbering/navigation approach. Is there an example that you've seen that works this way, and that you want to emulate? Is this a publishing style/convention in the particular industry?
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Have I misunderstood something?
[EDIT]
I forgot to ask if your document will be using cross-references interactively in a PDF or other multimedia format. If so, can you give more detail on your expectations?
Have you looked into InDesign hyperlinks? They can refer to a page number - either "sticking" to the designated page no matter if its page number changes because of reflow or being moved, or "sticking" to whatever happens to become the "n-th" page if the original page is relocated. Search Help for Create a hyperlink to a page.
[/EDIT]
HTH
Regards,
Peter
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
Message was edited by: peter at knowhowpro

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sammy003 wrote:
How do I cross reference an object using Indesign CS4?
I've got a PDF that I've dropped into a frame, which I applied an Object Style. Now I need to create a cross references in the document, that point to the PDF (a chart). I've got to do this with several PDF's.
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I could put some text in behind the chart, and arrage the chart to the front, but i'd rather create a cross reference to the Object itself.
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HTH
Regards,
Peter
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