Cross reference to an image on textless pages

My InDesign project has pages with only graphics on some pages, or even a single image across two pages. I'd like to reference them for two purposes-
to build a list of plates - could be file name and page number as a starting point.
to reference in explanitory text, eg "See earlier work X on page 22 and Z on pages 10-11"
I can't figure out how to associate a marker with an image. I seem to have to create an empty text box as a child of the graphic and insert a text anchor if I want to insert a cross reference to that graphic elsewhere. It's a bit cludgy and I don't really know what to do with the graphics that span pages, or how to generate a list of plates when I'm done- I imagine I should be using the index tool, but then, will I have to create both an index and a text anchor? Or can a cross-reference link to a page reference created in the index tool, instead of a to text anchor/hyperlink destination? Or is there a way to index and cross reference non-text objects?
I'm using CS5 version of InDesign.

See http://forums.adobe.com/message/2614941 where this is discussed.
Hope that helps

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I am creating a 108-page document in ID CS4 with lots of cross references (a new feature in CS4 after using the scripting work-around in CS3). I created a new cross-reference type which is only the page number of the destination in an invisible box.
Now that the document is finished, I created a PDF. The version of Acrobat on my PC is Acrobat 9 Pro Extended.
Most of the cross-references work as expected. A handful, though, while they show the correct page number in the text, when clicked in Acrobat Reader take the user to the wrong page. For example, the text says "see page 88" but a click takes the reader to page 99.
I have opened this pdf in Reader on multiple PCs: same problem. I have erased the old X-ref and re-added it: same problem. I tried installing the recent InDesign 6.0.1 update and replacing the X-ref and re-exporting to Acrobat: same problem. If I temporarily use a different X-ref type that includes the paragraph text, I see the correct text. Bottom line: everything seems OK EXCEPT when clicking in Reader.
Any thoughts on what to try to make this problem go away?

Try opening the PDF in Acrobat, and examining the links with the links tool. That may help you figure out the problem. It will show the specific text anchor to which the link is pointed. From my experience, it just references to a page number, unless you link to a specific text anchor within ID.
I had a similar problem in Framemaker, and I couldn't resolve the issue unless first deleting the marker from the destination and letting FM regenerate it.

Frame Maker 9 Cross References Question

Howdy,
I got two documents the original and a translated version of it. The original has a bunch of working cross references and it's all fine and dandy. The translated one on the other has a bunch of broken cross-references, chapter headers, headers in general and what not. Almost all of the "code" broke when the translator did it.
Either way, that's easy enough to fix it, I can just copy the working code from the original and paste into the translated document and it will generaelly fix the error.
Now for the question - Since my translated document is a couple of pages longer than the original due to the translation can I still copy of the cross references from the first document over, and it will be all fine and dandy?
Basically I didn't write either docuements I'm just fixing formatting and other errors, and I'm not entirely 100% how Frame Maker does it cross references are they based on a page number/paragraph parameters, or something like under X subheading go here and that's how it links.
TL;DR How do Cross refernces work in FM9? And if I have a translated doc longer than my original, can those same Cross references work in both docs?
Thanks much for any help/insight.
Dean,

Almost all of the "code" broke when the translator did it.
They probably deleted the Cross-Ref Markers when over-typing the text. If Text Symbols were off during edit, that's pretty easy to do.
... and I'm not entirely 100% how Frame Maker does it cross references are they based on a page number/paragraph parameters, or something like under X subheading go here and that's how it links.
Unless you are Xref'ing a hand-created Marker, Frame auto-creates a Marker, of type "Cross-Ref" at the start of the target paragraph. It also auto creates an Mtext tag, which contains what appears to be a unique number string, the Paragraph Format name and the paragraph text (including any auto number). There is also a <Unique> tag with another unique number string.
When resolving references, my impression is that Frame first searches for the <Unique> number, and if not found, then for the Mtext string, and then possibly for the Mtext string without the leading number string.
If the translators do two things, I would expect the Xrefs to port:
Don't disturb Xref Markers. This can be tough, because it's sometimes hard to select text and not nab leading Markers, and because all Marker symbols look alike, and the Index markers do need to be messed with.
Don't translate text defined by Markers. That text will auto-translate from the source text at Update.

How do I exclude one cross reference format?

Version: TCS2: Framemaker 9, Robohelp 8, both fully patched.
I have a gazillion cross-references to figures (images) in my Framemaker manual. Due to executive decision, these images are not being ported over to Robohelp-- I set their paragraph style to not import at all.
However, I cannot figure out for the life of me how to get Robohelp to IGNORE the cross-references of the type called "Figure." For that matter, I can't get Robohelp to give those a style, like "Hidden" that I could then use CSS to hide.
How do I get Robohelp to excluse/not import all cross-references of a specific format?

An alternate approach might be to create a new FM template that has those cross-references re-defined to nothing (i.e. no content except for a thin-space character - FM needs something there, but a thin space shouldn't be hardly noticeable). Then have this template applied when importing the FM content into RH. This would effectively not show those cross-refs.

Cross-reference auto-page numers?

Can anyone tell me why i cannot get cross-references to work with automatic page numbering? Is there some fundamental error i am making? I have the master files setup with auto-page numbering based on 'current page.' All of my pages are numbered sequentially as 1, 2, 3, etc. and setup with a unique paragraph style. however, when i try to reference a page number in the document, none of the pages show up under the paragraph style in the cross-reference menu. I have even tried to use ctrl+shft+click on the desired reference page to bring the page number frame from the master file onto that specific page, but the text still does not show up in the cross-references menu. I feel as though i must be making some sort of mistake because it seems this could be one of the more obvious/widespread uses for the cross-reference feature. Any help would be great. Perhaps there is simply another way to do this? Thanks!
Garrett

GarrettTV wrote:
Peter,
I understand that this is probably a more specific use of the feature, no doubt. It is ultimately unrealistic to expect a program to work exactly as each individual user's project approach dictates. I dont take the comment as a slam, dont fret.
My confusion and concern ultimately stems from the fact that, on the surface (granted, I am definitely not a programmer ), it seems like the ability to directly reference the page number would be, almost inherently, already built-in in the sense that the page number is recognized as a product of content placement. In other words, if the cross-reference knows that changes to the document composition have caused my referenced content to move from auto-numbered page 36 to auto-numbered page 37, yet the reference cannot exist to simply the page number itself. It has to exist via the content on taht page. Hopefully I have provided and explanation which makes sense!
In all honesty, the ability to reference only content and not also page number is only goingot set me back about half. For my sake, I have a 300 page document which includes hundreds of figures/illustrations, all of which correspond to text explanations in a different part of the document. Over time, it is anticipated that standards and graphics will be added/subtracted/changed, and therefore, so will the section numbering, page numbering, figure numbering, and the corresponding pages on which all of these pieces of info will occur. We would like to correspond figures and sections to one number; in this case, the page. Because each figure/illustration will have it's own page, it is desired to make the figure number and page number match to achieve an easier means of navigating the book. Basically, I want the text section, which will be read first, to reference figure numbers and/or page numbers (at this point, i have the option of choosing one or the other), but both of these numbers are going to dynamically update.
So, if that made any sense at all (ha), is there a way to use the cross references to point at a number that is set to automatically/dynamically change? If there is not, then perhaps I will simply have to create static figure numbers for the referenced content and then just let the page numbers change over time. If you have any other suggestions, I am definitely open to exploring them!
Thanks for the continued help!
Garrett
Hi, Garrett:
If I understand your description correctly, it seems that you're asking for an unusual numbering/navigation approach. Is there an example that you've seen that works this way, and that you want to emulate? Is this a publishing style/convention in the particular industry?
Am I correct in imagining that in a document that contains three figures on discontiguous pages, they might be numbered something like this:
Page #
Figure #
1
1
15
15
250
250
This would result in no figures 2, 3...14...249. Would your document have references to figure 15 on page 15? Would you want your list of figures (LOF) to resemble:
Figure number and title Page
1. Example of the widget in question ............................. 1
15. Example of another widget ......................................... 15
(sorry about the messy table layout - the HTML is tricky)
Would your audience be concerned that the figure numbers are not consecutive across a multi-chapter book, or consecutive within a chapter, and restart in each chapter? That is, would a reader think that some figures are missing?
Is there a specific objection to figure 11 on page 26 becoming figure 11 on page 28, if text content were inserted, or becoming figure 16 on page 29 if figures were inserted? When numbered-list paragraph styles and cross-reference formats are set up properly, cross-references to these figures would update to indicate both the correct number and correct page.
Have I misunderstood something?
[EDIT]
I forgot to ask if your document will be using cross-references interactively in a PDF or other multimedia format. If so, can you give more detail on your expectations?
Have you looked into InDesign hyperlinks? They can refer to a page number - either "sticking" to the designated page no matter if its page number changes because of reflow or being moved, or "sticking" to whatever happens to become the "n-th" page if the original page is relocated. Search Help for Create a hyperlink to a page.
[/EDIT]
HTH
Regards,
Peter
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
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I suspect your tag is wrong, but in Pages '09 you just Insert a Bookmark.
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Feature unavailable.
_Go to "Provide Pages Feedback" in the "Pages" menu_, describe what you wish.
Then, cross your fingers, and wait _at least_ for iWork'10
If you can't wait, use Word
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mercredi 23 septembre 2009 17:51:54

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Is it possible to export webhelp to Printed Document - MS
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If a master document is not recommended for a large manual,
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can use RH 7 conditional text and mutiple TOCs to produce multiple
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Is there a workaround for this? Mac, CS5.5. (I also have CS6 but still can't get the file to open!!)
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EDIT: BTW - I will be leaving work in about 30 minutes, so I won't be able to try out any fixes until tomorrow, about 10am (London, UK).
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I have found several examples using Framescript but I am unable to replicate the code using ES.
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Regards

Hi again Jang:
I have been trying to create the XREF following your suggestions:
First I created a XREF using the FM procedure. Then I created a code to get the info from Data Browser in the ESTK.
Then I created a XREF using my own code: FM recognizes the XREF (as you can see on the right image) but I cannot get any cross-ref on the content.
Here is the code for the Cross-ref marker target creation:
var doc = app.ActiveDoc;
var flow = doc.MainFlowInDoc;
var pgf = doc.TextSelection.beg.obj
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tLoc = new TextLoc(pgf, 0);
marker = doc.NewAnchoredObject(Constants.FO_Marker, tLoc);
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marker.MarkerText = "10978: Heading1: PREAMBLE";
Here is the code I am using to create the XREF:
var doc = app.ActiveDoc;
var flow = doc.MainFlowInDoc;
var pgf = doc.TextSelection.beg.obj;
var oTLoc1=new TextLoc (pgf, 0);
var format="Page";
var newcrossref=doc.NewAnchoredFormattedXRef(format, oTLoc1);
newcrossref.XRefFmt.Name=format;
newcrossref.XRefSrcText= "10978: Heading1: PREAMBLE";
I have tried with tons of modifications but without success.
I hope you can help me!
Regards

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WHen cross references are to figures on the same page, I let the cross reference point to the paragraph number only ("see View 25"). When it is on another page, I use paragraph number and page ("See View 25 on page 34"). But when my text changes, sometimes text moves, sometimes images move and I need to change the cross reference. It is quite bothersome, I have to rmeove the old one and create a new one, hunting for the cross reference in a list of 150 or so.
Is there a simpler way? E.g. put the insertion point in the cross reference and than some easy way to select a different appearance?

Thanks for stepping in, Jan. I'm glad the smart page-reference building blocks in Cross-References Pro can actually do what I hoped it could, to solve this riddle for the original poster. I did a quick test, just to be sure it worked as I expected, and it does! It would be great for Adobe to license your technology and build this into InDesign, along with the rest of the extra-strength cross-reference abilities. (Disclaimer: I'm not connected to DTP Tools other than being a happy user.)
As to the unwanted space, perhaps a character style in nested and/or GREP style could apply some kind of width adjustment that would reduce the displacement to an absolute minimum.
Regards,
Peter
Peter Gold
Jan Macuch wrote:
Hi, sorry for being a little late on this one. Here's a sample of the Cross-Reference PRO format you're looking for is:
See Figure <paranum/> <pagenum usesectionname="true" forcearabic="true" usepage="true" pagetext="on page #" usethis="true" thistext=" " usenext="true" nexttext="on the next page" useprev="true" prevtext="on the previous page" useopposite="true" oppositetext="on the opposite page"/>
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Jan Macuch
DTP Tools

Indesign CS6 Very slow - cross-references?

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http://helpx.adobe.com/indesign/kb/slow-performance-indesign-cs5.html
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