CS 5.5 VST plugins

Several 32-bit plugins that worked in AA 3 now show as disabled in CS 5.5. Additionally, CS 5.5 identifies these plugins as 7.1 plugins. They work with stereo tracks and should be enabled under the stereo grouping. Is this a bug, or does CS 5.5 have different requirements for VST plugins?
Thanks,
Steve

Hi Nahravka,
I contacted Voxengo for their response and I was told that they have notified Adobe that Voxengo's multichannel plugins do not work with CS 5.5. While this response might suggest that the issue is related to how Audition has changed, I am not willing to conclude this yet. It would be helpful if some Adobe staff who are viewing this forum can comment and offer advice so that potential purchasers of CS 5.5 can understand what they are getting into. It sounds like you are fine with the latest Waves plugins. Regarding Waves, could you comment about your feelings about specific ones as far as your results with Audition? While I am well aware of Waves, I have been trying to resist buying a dongle just so I could test drive their products.
Regarding Voxengo's plugins, the ones that are not multichannel - that is, they are just "stereo" are said to work. Regarding the multichannel plugins and let's use GlissEQ as an example... from the Effects Rack, it looks like one can invoke the GlissEQ plugin and one can even tweak its settings. However, when one closes the plugin window, the plugin does not show in the Effects Rack.
Having mentioned GlissEQ as an example, it seems like the new Audition EQ could be an improvement over that in AA 3. And this is not to say that the AA 3 parametric EQ is bad. I simply had been using Ozone.
Steve

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Just a thought. Oh how much I'd like this!
To be able to use universal VST plugins and ASIO for everything directly from Windows would be ideal. To put this simply, making the Creative Windows "mixer" a true equivelent of a pro-software mixing app (Ableton, ProTools, Sonar, Cubase, or any other) in terms of absolute control for all Audio effects and I/O.
If Creative won't ever do this even on their next gen cards, somebody or some company that knows a decent mixer setup should write such a replacement mixer soon offered at a fair price (if not free) that will do so with easy, complete, reliable integration.
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- Use X-Ram to cache inserted VST plugins. Now theres a potential great reason for it since it obviously doesnt use any to cache the I/O bus like ALL OTHER periphials that have Ram caches. Its use is dictated by software, so why not?
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- If Creative has confidence in the quality of their own propriety effects, doesn't have to be VST but simply making them usable as a ReWire bridged devices into most any host with parameter automation controls and all. Obviosly these could have much lower latency than VST that normally relies on CPU processed software code.
- The only argument against this is that some VST plugins have huge latencies. Optional latency delay to keep tracks
- Allow Creatives hardware to insert as a ReWire slave or otherwise bridged device to ASIO-based apps so VST's can be outsourced from demanding more CPU when mixing. I could also add MIDI plugin effects as well.
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- Allow changing any and all audio I/O routing for individual channels on the fly for Windows and ANY software (not just ASIO compatible stuff). Just like in Ableton, Pro Tools, and every other WELL designed "mixer".
- Treating XP itself and any software that normally goes through DX/MME/etc to use this ASIO mixer by making it appear as an insert send/return in the mixer so it can get routed and processed individually to my liking.
- Can insert send/return signals for any DX/MME/etc program to/from any track or #tracks in any combination up to some reasonable limit with pre/post gains. At least several send/returns slots per channel.
- A game that uses ASIO would be sweet. 0% FPS drop. IMO DX/MME/wave-mapper sound sucks. No control, many wasted CPU cycles, and horrible latency.
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- Imagine putting any combination of sounds in 7.1 surround, monitering specific channels to any physical output, or up/downmixing 5.1 as it plays in real-time, etc. any thing like this possible instantly with a few mouse clicks! This would be SO EASY and completely possible to implement, most of the above right onto existing XiFi's as is.
It's not like it would be competing with pro-interface rackmount products so no harm to Creative. I sure as h*ll wouldn't record with any soundcard's analog pre's or unbalanced connections for that matter. Guess I just love the interface and control of a REAL mixer that can do it all.

cusis wrote:
But would it be possible to somehow use the power of the card to take on some of the load of the cpu, users would surely then see alot more benifits from these cards.
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i major
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