CS4: conflict with third-party plugin

Hi
We face the issue that our plugin conflicts with an existing closed-source plugin. We use a unique developer ID and I believe that all declarations in our plugin are correct. My question; how can I get indesign to yield more informative error messages, than just the usual conflict dialog upon startup?
-and can the conflict be caused by other issues than misdefined pmid's?
Thanks!
Kind regards Toke

I never encountered conflicts other than the ID clash. You can verify if the culprit is your plugin iD or not by trying the plugin ID of some other plugin you had developed in this plugin just for a test to see if it resolves the problem.
You could also try and comment out declerations from your plugin to zero down on the decleration that is causing the issues.
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