CS4: Converting AVCHD to DV-AVI Type II - what's your tool / approach?

My machine lacks the horsepower to handle native AVCHD without a lot of jerky playback issues, and in a previous thread I got a lot of good advice on solving this problem. Short of buying faster ponies, the best solution as I understand it is to first convert to the native DV-AVI Type II format that Premeire uses.
I thought that finding the appropriate conversion tool would be a short Google and / or Adobe Forum search away, but half a day of searching both and I've still not found a suitable solution. I'm attempting to convert .mts files from a Panasonic AG-HMC70P camera. Here are the results thus far for PC based programs:
Koyote
It may get the job done, but it installs malware so it's a non starter.
Super8
Perhaps it's able to accomplish the AVCHD - DV-AVI Type II conversion. However, I've not yet been able to flip the right switches to succeed. Perhaps if I had more education in world of video formats its user interface would be more intuitive, but I'm not seeing an obvious path to the correct conversion. Anyone successfully converted and imported the results into Premiere from this one? If so, what settings did you use?
VoltaicHD
Seems like a nice program, but the output files didn't seem to play nice with Premiere. Audio & video out of sync.
I've looked at many others but these are the only ones I've downloaded and given a try. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who needs to do this conversion. If you have a tool that you're using that supports batches of files, I'd be grateful if you'd share the info on it.
If I can't find a good conversion program (wouldn't have thought it would be so hard to find one), I'm wondering if Adobe Media Encoder would generate the same results. In other words, if I dropped an .mts file on a timeline in Premiere and then exported it to AVI / NTSC DV Widescreen (or some other such setting), would this give me the same results, i.e. a native DV-AVI Type II file?
Would appreciate any suggestions you might have on converting AVCHD footage.
Thanks,
Chris

Hi, Rod.
Good stuff, appreciate the link.
While it would be nice if I could find a suitable program to just batch convert the files, I don't seem to be having much luck on that front. It's a bit more of a workflow hassle to step it through Premiere -> Media Encoder in order to get the initial raw SD footage that I want to edit, but on the bright side it does seem to be the path of maximum control in terms of the quality of files I end up with for editing. So maybe that's the way to go.
Thanks, man.
Chris

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CS4: Converting AVCHD to NTSC widescreen - narrow vertical bars

Hey, folks.
We're shooting with a Panasonic AG-HMC70P which saves as 1080/60i AVCHD. My target format is NTSC DVD Widescreen (16:9).
Using the MPEG2-DVD format in Media Encoder and selecting Widescreen as the pixel aspect ratio, I get very narrow vertical bars on the left and right, i.e. it's clearly widescreen and not 4:3, but it's simply not filling the complete width of the screen when converting.
The properties of the imported .mts file report a pixel aspect ratio of 1.3333, versus the output format 1.2121, and I'm wondering if this is the source of the bars or there's something else that I'm not setting properly. I'm rather new to CS4, so cockpit error is highly likely here.
This is what properties reports on the imported source file:
==========================================
Type: MPEG Movie
File Size: 363.5 MB
Image Size: 1440 x 1080
Pixel Depth: 32
Frame Rate: 29.97
Source Audio Format: 48000 Hz - compressed - Stereo
Project Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 32 bit floating point - Stereo
Total Duration: 00:03:59:15
Average Data Rate: 1.5 MB / second
Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1.3333
And here's what the resulting converted file with the vertical sidebars reports:
=======================================================
Type: MPEG Movie
File Size: 10.4 MB
Image Size: 720 x 480
Pixel Depth: 32
Frame Rate: 29.97
Total Duration: 00;00;12;16
Average Data Rate: 852 KB / second
Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1.2121
(The target duration is shorter than the source because I'm testing and don't need to render the entire thing until I get it right.)
Been reading manuals, poking Google with a stick and trying various other forms of self education but have come up short. If any of you could point me in the right direction to properly convert AVCHD to NTSC widescreen, I'd be most grateful.
Thanks,
Chris

Hi, John.
Here's what I've learned thus far from Googling a bit. This seems to be a common issue, and the solution I've seen proposed (actually from a Vegas forum but the issue is the same) is to expand or crop the image. Taking that advice, I've cropped the top and bottom by 12 and it gets rid of the bars.
While this seems to work, I can't help but feel that this is a hack and that there's actually a "proper" way to deal with this. Surely we're not the only folks going from AVCHD to NTSC widescreen, so I'd be surprised if this was something that the Adobe devs simply missed.
So, while I have a momentary workaround, I'm still in search of the best way to address this issue. Hope my hack is helpful to you as well.
Chris

Convert avi type 1 to type 2 ???

How / best way / software to Convert avi type 1 to type 2 for use in PPro?

The classic for this has been the Ulead free tool.
http://www.ulead.com/download/dvconverter/download.htm
When I looked for the site for it today, I see a post (on another site) that it may not convert clips over 4 Gigs correctly (and without any error message). Anyone know whether this is true?

Converting MOV files to AVI

I bought Quicktime pro 7 for windows to convert mov files to avi files so I can import them into Sony Vegas. But after converting the mov files...vegas still won't recognize the AVI file that was converted by Quicktime Pro. So after doing research on other forums it seems that there are 2 types of AVI files (divx and xvid). My question is does QT pro only convert the MOV files to one type of AVI and if so...then how do I go about getting a refund.
Thanks

I bought Quicktime pro 7 for windows to convert mov files to avi files so I can import them into Sony Vegas. But after converting the mov files...vegas still won't recognize the AVI file that was converted by Quicktime Pro.
You seem to misunderstand what MOV and AVI files are. Basically, both are just generic file containers. They may contain amy combination of audio and video compressed data that is compatible with the codec configuration of the system on which the file is created. What you should be asking yourself here is what compression formats (what data within the file container) can be edited by the Sony Vegas software. According to to Sony,
"Vegas Pro takes a no transcode, no rewrap approach with Panasonic P2 AVC-Intra and DVCPRO source material. Vegas Pro eliminates the transcode and rewrap process that other applications require, so editors can save valuable production time, minimize storage requirements, and preserve the pristine quality of the original source material. Other natively supported codecs and formats include XAVC, XAVC S, XDCAM™, XDCAM EX, NXCAM, HDCAM-SR™, AVCCAM, RED® R3D, AVCHD, and AVC-based MOV files from popular DSLR cameras. For 3D content creation, Vegas Pro also supports stereoscopic 3D MVC and MPO files from Sony camcorders."
This, of course, brings up the question of what kind of compressed data is contained in your original MOV file since your problem is most likely not the MOV file type but rather the data you have stored in the file based on the fact that, according to Sony, this editor is supposed to be compatible with "AVC-based MOV" files and MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) and MPEG-4 audio (AAC) are virtually a default QT AV compression format whether in MOV, MP4, or M4V file containers. Therefore, when asking questions regarding MOV file content, your should normally include the compression formats of the data contained in the file to better ***** various issues and workflows or provide a sample file for examination by others.
So after doing research on other forums it seems that there are 2 types of AVI files (divx and xvid).
QT can only access the DivX and XviD codecs if they are available to the QT 7 Pro app. I.e., these are proprietary codecs not included in the QT installation package. A better question here might be whether or not the Sony Vegas software can edit these compression formats since they are not listed as being supported natively by Sony. That is, you need to be importing file container/compression format combinations that are listed as being edit compatible with the software you are trying to use for your edits.
My question is does QT pro only convert the MOV files to one type of AVI and if so...then how do I go about getting a refund.
While QT 7 Pro remains compatible with the AVI file container, as varjak paw indicated, there are only a limited number of compression formats that are QT encode compatible and even fewer listed as Sony Vegas. I.e., why don't you try a DVCPRO AVI or an H.264/AAC MOV conversion as suggested above and see if it might be compatible with your editor. However, the best approach is not to transcode data if at all possible. That is why it would be important to know the workflow you are using to source your content. I.e., how is the data being placed in the MOV file container? Was it originally recorded to an MOV file container? Was it imported to a video editor on a Mac and then passed on to you? Was it copied from a different source file to the current MOV file container? Etc., etc., etc... I.e., at this point all we can do is make guesses as to things you can try because you have provided insufficient information regarding your files, workflows, and goals here.

Urgent. Issue with converted .mov files to avi not working in Premiere.

I am trying to import video files that I have converted from .mov to .avi through OjoSoft Total Video Converter and anytime I try to put a file into the work area, the video goes to Video 1, and Audio goes to Audio 4. When I try to play it I get no audio, and the video jumps from frame 1 to frame 2.
Does anyone know a good converter or know the best way to convert and what filetypes to do so? They work converting them as MP4 video files, but I like avi's better.
I have tried converting the .mov to mpeg4 and H.264 (Both with audio as MP3). They will play in Windows Media Player after convert but not in premiere...
I am running Premiere CS4 on Windows7 with no direct codec packs installed. I opened a video/audio file that I worked on before with no issues...video/audio run flawlessly in Premiere.
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What are the codecs in the original MOV files and what are the codecs after conversion? Use GSpot to identify them.

Getting Your Files into DV-AVI Type II Format

The advice I’ve received on the forum suggests the best file format to edit in is DV-AVI Type II.   I have attempted conversions to this format unsuccessfully and had a couple of questions I’m hoping the community can answer.
1.       Is DV-Type II the name of the compression codec used to generate the AVI file? I have attempted video conversions with at least three different pieces of software but have never seen this provided as an option. Is it a specific codec that I must download before my video conversion programs can use it or is it known under a different name?
2.       For those of you who capture video in non-ideal formats, what third-party software do you use to convert to DV-AVI Type II. I’ve tried QuickTime Pro (option wasn’t provided), 4videosoft (option wasn’t provided), and AVS Video Converter (option wasn’t provided).   My fallback position is editing with uncompressed AVI files, but they are unwieldy as you would expect.

Please be very wary of any CODEC packs. As Harm says, you should have it with PrPro. If you have Vista, you can download and install THEIR Vista CODEC pack - that is the only one that I would touch with that "10' pole."
Harm is fond of saying that a CODEC pack is the first step to wiping your HDD and completely installing everything again. I don't quite feel THAT strongly, but very close.
One of the problems with other software (and CODEC packs) is that they go out of their way to destroy other programs' CODEC's. Adobe kinda' "hides" theirs, so other programs cannot get to them easily - this will yield false positives from G-Spot and Sherlock the CODEC Detective, but they still function perfectly.
Good luck,
Hunt

Exporting DV AVI Type 2

So here is the quick rundown...
I work at a small community cable television station. The system we use to cable-cast is windows based and plays Microsoft DV AVI files. The systems we edit with are G5's running the latest Final Cut Studio. After going back and forth with technical support of the manufactures of the cable-cast system we have decided that the problem lies with the fact I am exporting Type 1 AVI's which they tell me have a file size limit of 4GB, well under what a normal half hour show comes out to.
Is there anyway to get Final Cut to export Type 2 AVI's ? If not is there third party plug-ins or software that is priced reasonably?
Thanks for the help.
Ray

Is here anyway to get Final Cut to export Type 2 AVI's ? If not is there third party plug-ins or software that is priced reasonably?
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Ah, terribly sorry. I misread. Looked like you were supplying programming to a network. But you're actually working in a shop that uses a production format that is completely incompatible with the 'cast output. Interesting engineering decision.
You can always try google, amazing stuff:
http://www.puremotion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=14219&sid=7f9a9c6ba0e83f399c3092 5b615ac09c
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/archive/dvavi.mspx
http://users.tpg.com.au/mtam/guide_wmm2.htm
http://shortfilm.videohelp.com/2005/09/how-to-convert-dv-avi-type-1-into-xvid.ht ml
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms787833.aspx
http://dvcreators.net/discuss/showthread.php?t=9986
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DV
The upshot appears to be you need something that is not available on the Macintosh. I see no references to any tools that are OS10 compatible. But try macupdate and versiontracker.
good luck on this one. Try hitting the Windows-centric support forums for WMV encoders.
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QT to AVI Type 2

I work at a public access TV station and their broadcast computer will only play DV video in an AVI Type 2 wrapper. It seems that Apple's FCP Studio doesn't make Type 2, but only type 1, so using Compressor or QT to convert the video does not work.
Anyone out there know how to make AVI type 2 files?

ffmpegX from Major. 10 $
Set for : MsMPEG4v2 (AVI).
Open your Qt file : make your settings in the video encoder - click on BEST for compression rate.
At the same time export a wav file from your Qt movie with QT pro. In the audio encoder import your wav file.(otherwise it won't work).
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I have recently bought a Seagate Goflex satellite mobile wireless hard drive. I have converted some of my AVI movies to mp4 and transferred them to the hard drive, but when I play them through my iPad 2 I can hear the sound but not see the movie. Help???

I have recently bought a Seagate Goflex satellite mobile wireless hardrive , i have converted some of my AVI movies to MP4 and loaded them onto the hard drive, when I try and play them through my I pad2 I can hear the sound of the movie but not see the film, somebody please help, what am I doing wrong as I have spent a lot of time converting these movies to be able to travel with my iPad and watch them. Thank you

Unfortunately, the drive is pretty much restricted without hacking it. That is, you can't stream its content via standardized protocols like UPnP, SMB, FTP and the like. This makes you won't be able to access its content from any third-party apps otherwise capable of playing back AVI files from UPnP / SMB / FTP / WebDAV etc. sources.
While this is certainly not a recommendation (I can in no way be held responsible if anything goes wrong): you may want to consider extending the capabilities of the drive by installing the hack: http://www.hackseagatesatellite.com/wordpress/welcome/
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Data is not updating in calss & Convert vi reference to strictly type reference vi

Hi,
In the attached project file there is a Class called 'ClassSample.lvclass' having 3 different data types Boolean, Numeric and Variant(not really sure, Variant can be use for strict data type reference). From this three we careated the 'VIs for data member access' you can see them in project file
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2. How to convert vi reference to strictly type reference vi ?
Thank you.
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It depends a bit on your final intention. Bascially you have a shared state that you want to access asynchronously from different places. If you know that the actual object is only created once (terminilogie here is a bit shaky as every wire split would create a copy of the LVOOP object but I hope you know what I mean), you could use a global or Action Engine to store the state. Using a DVR for this state and adding the DVR to your object class data is however a more scalable approach as it will allow you to instantiate more than one object of that class and each one will contain its own DVR that will reference the same value for the specific object instance even if you split the object wire, creating actually two copies of that object (but for the purpose of this discussion they would be still the same object instance).
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PE 9.0 no sound with DV AVI type 2 clip, but sound is ok with Media Player and Power DVD

PE 9.0 no sound with DV AVI type 2 clip, but sound is ok with Media Player and Power DVD

Dear Bill,
Thanks for helping me.
G-Spot reports:
Audio
Codec: PCM Audio
Info: 48000Hz 1536 kb/s tot (2 chnls)
Video
Codec: dvsd
Name: DVC/DV Video
Status Codec(s) are installed
Len 2:36.960   Frms 3,924   kbps 28800   Qf 2.778
Pics/s 25.000   Frames/s 25.000   Field/s 50.000
I/L   BFF   PAL
Pic (w x 720 x 576   seq ext 16:9
Sar 1.250 (5:4)   par 1.422 (~10:7)   dar 1.778 (16:9)
I have imported a WMA-file in Audio-1 track of PE – still no sound to hear. But I can see the sound in the track. (Like in my video-clip) Therefore I also think it is a setting in PE. Will you be so kind to tell me where I have to look? Because I am no expert. Or is it possible that I have to activate anything in PE? It is first time that I will work with PE 9.
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Werner

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I use the Final Cut Version ProHd for editing my videos but I'm having problems when exporting the final project.
The file is exported in the .mov format but I need it exported as AVI type 1 since it is going to be played in a PC.
If I export it as a regular AVI, it comes out without sound.
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Alex

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What software do i need to convert AVCHD mts/mts2 files to import to iMovie

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As Kirk says, if you have your camera, you can attach it directly.
Further, if you preserved the entire file structure of your camera (not just the .mts files, but also the folders on the camera), then you can import from that via FILE/IMPORT FROM CAMERA ARCHIVE.
When you import from a camera, it is recommended that you keep a camera archive so you always have the originals available.
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Using PE4...
Recent threads on exporting parts of clips mention exporting to "DV-AVI Type II" and unchecking "Recompress" etc. As far as I have found, I have three AVI options available via File - Export - Movie - Settings - General:
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Dave

This is essentially the same thing we covered in your other thread, Dave. Type 2 is not a format. It's a type of AVI.In fact, it's the only type of AVI Premiere Elements outputs.
So you don't need to worry about that. All you need to worry about is the codec -- and the codec you want to use is DV, which should be the default output setting for AVIs from this program.
I've included more details and instructions on outputting DV-AVIs in your other thread.

CS4: Converting AVCHD to DV-AVI Type II - what's your tool / approach?

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