CS4 - Match Print Colors vs Soft Proof (Proof Colors)

Using a custom printer profile, when I check Match Print Colors in the Print dialog box, the preview closely matches the print. However, the image in the CS4 workspace (with Proof Colors checked) looks like the print preview with Match Print Colors unchecked. The main difference is that the Proof Colors image is brighter than the print preview or actual print. I have the same profile selected in each case. How can I get the Proof Colors view to match the Print dialog preview which more accurately matches the print? I've carefully checked all settings.

To get the best soft proof for print you have to have two accurate color profiles in place.
A monitor profile which would be generated by a hardware or software calibrator during a monitor calibration—if you calibrated your monitor to something like 2.0 gamma and a 5500 K white point, a coresponding monitor profile would be generated for the OS so that the CS applications know what your monitor conditions are.
You also need an accurate press profile, which is usually assigned to a document on creation (Edit>Assign Profiles). The default is US Web Coated SWOP, which creates a lighter soft proof than US Sheetfed Coated.
If either or both profiles are off the softproof (View>Overprint Preview if your layout has RGB color) will be less accurate. So for exmple, if your monitor's gamma is 2.2, but the monitor profile has it as 1.8, and your press profile is US SWOP but the press is printing closer to US Sheetfed, you would get a soft proof that's too light.

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Colors in print preview not matching colors in soft proofing

Hi There,
Just wanted to print a new photo and realized that the colors in print preview do not match the colors in soft proofing. In both cases I selected the same icc profile and rendering method. The print colors matched the colors in print preview. I never had a problem so far. All new prints will be checked with soft proofing and adjusted when necessary. I never paid attention to the color rendition in print preview and all prints perfectly matched the colors from the soft proofing. I was surprised when my print came out of the printer and the colors weren't matching the soft proofing colors, but that of the print preview.
I don't understand why Photoshop renders the colors differently in the first place. Please see attached screenshot for the difference in the blue/cyan colors.
I would appreciate if anybody could point me in the right direction in what is causing this difference. I don't care if the print view colors will match the print, but I do care when soft proofing is not working.
Thank you.
Best regards,
D.

Here are some addtional details:
PS 13.1.2
Mac OS X 10.8.4
12 GB Ram
60 GB free disk space
I printed the same photo from two other computers (MacBook and iMac) with different PS versions (CS4 and CS5). The prints turned out identical to the first one which matches the print preview color rendition on my main computer (MacPro) running CS6. Strangely the colors in print preview of CS5 on the iMac renders the colors identical to the soft proofing colors.

Very slight blue cast on epson r1900 when match print color check box is checked

Ok, so this problem has been bugging me for some time now and I know other people have it too, because I can see it some of the screen shots.
I am running CS3 and and epson r1900. Using the latest drivers, and latest ICM epson paper profiles downloaded again just yesterday. So what happen is when I go to print a photo, whenever I check the match print color box, the proof instantly assume a very light blue cast which prints on the paper as well.
Let me tell you what I know it is not.
1. It is not double color management- ICM is disabled on the epson print manager side
2. It is not a badly calibrate monitor, My spyder 2 is working just fine.
I am wondering if its some type of gamut compression inherint the the ICC profile, but if that were the case, if I converted my photo into the icc's color space, it just take on the blue cast, but it does not it. The blue cast appears only after the match printer colors check box is checked. Even if I add additional whitespace to the picture, that what space, which when you think about it, should just be paper white, get printed again with the light blue cast. In checking and unchecking that above mentioned box, I can see that other features within the photo are being affected or shifted as well. If I use a different icc profile, say, the Kodak Professional Paper profile or a red river paper profile, there is no Blue Cast period when the box is check or unchecked, so it seems to be something related to epson profiles, and Photoshop.
I have removed the printer and reinstalled with all the latested drivers available at epson website, as well as removed all my old epson paper iCC profiles and reinstalled them from that latest available from epson as well.
I can see on some epson printing tutorials avaiable on the web, this blue cast in the screen shots. Like here- http://www.gballard.net/psd/printing_epson_photoshop_cs3.html
compare the the preview print area , the the white in the in input box for print size and you can see there is a cast.
So is this normal?
thanks
Patrick

Patrick,
ICC profiles include white point information. When you check the match print color box, Photoshop trys to show a quick soft proof of your image there in the print dialog. The blue cast is Photoshop trying to simulate the white point in the profile - which happens to be the shade of the paper. Some papers have more of a pronounced blue or yellow shade, and this shows up in the soft proof.
In reality you will not see nearly the level of shift on a print as you do in the Photoshop print dialog. That soft proof is not really super accurate.
To summarize it is indeed the paper ICC profile that is causing the effect. Different profiles will all show slightly different variations in the white point under these circumstances.
Drew Hendrix
Red River Paper
www.redriverpaper.com

CS3 color management won't match prints

Okay, I know there are a lot of boneheds who can't figure out how to set up color in Bridge and CS3 but I am at my wits end on this so bear me out.
Windows XP and CS3
Bridge is set to; Enable color management in Bridge
RAW conversion is SRGB
CS3 color settings/working space set to SRGB
Print color management is set to SRGB and Photoshop manages colors
Printer is set to "application manages colors" (HP B9180)(btw, I have also tried it set to SRGB)
Image looks the same on Bridge, RAW conversion, CS3 and print screen (dark)Image looks LIGHTER when viewed with any other program (including windows picture and fax viewer, HP print program, Paint Shop Pro and online) and prints to match the lighter image both on my HP and from my lab!
The closest I have been able to get to a total sync is to set Photoshop's color settings to "Monitor color," and uncheck the box in Bridge that says "apply color management settings in Bridge." In that case, Bridge and CS3 produce a lighter image but RAW conversion is still darker. Plus, who the hell wants to use monitor color in Photoshop!?

That's pretty much it David... I could get Photoshop to match my prints but then any other program would show the prints as being waaaay off-color.
Today I bought a spider2express and color balanced my monitor. Now everything seems to look in sync and my prints match very close (a little warm for my tastes..). Tech support at Photoshop told me it was a calibration issue but I thought that was bull... i mean, how can calibration make an image that looks different in two different programs look the same? Well, it does. As far as I understand it now (layman's terms)when you look at an image in windows viewer ot explorer or any other non-color management program you are looking at the image based on your monitor profile. When you look at the same image in photoshop the program uses it's own color management which then gets filtered through your monitor program to your eyes (but not to the printer). If your monitor profile is bad, the image looks bad.
Or something like that :)

PSE 7 bright vivid colors, doesn't match prints

I tried searching for a thread to answer this question but I could not find something that really helped specifically.
Use PSE7 to edit my jpg's and when I'm happy with the results then go to print, my prints do not match what I created on screen. The colors are much darker, the rich greens in my landscapes are dull with a dark tint..overall, quite disappointing.
I use a Spyder 3 pro to calibrate my monitor and use that profile as the printing profile for PSE7. I shoot a Canon 40d in sRGB. My monitor and printer (Canon MP600) are set to use the profile created by the Spyder 3 Pro software.
When I use Canon Digital Photo Pro to edit raw images, the colors on screen are consistent with what I get printed on my Canon MP600. The main difference here is that Canon DPP allows you to select the profile for image display and for printing.
Does PSE7 allow you to somehow select from your list of available profiles what color profile to be used for display? Out of the color management options, I've tried to use the "Optimize for display" and "Optimize for printing" options..."no color management" and "let me choose.." still no difference in the prints vs. the screen.
If I take a file that I printed in Canon DPP, where the colors on screen match what is printed, and then open that same file in PSE7, the colors on screen are much different...they are much brighter and vivid than what I see in Canon DPP.
All I can do in Canon DPP is edit raw files and do the basic color editing...Obviously, PSE7 has many more features and plugins that are useful so I'd like to work in that program and print from there.
If I do all my editing of a file in PSE7 until I'm happy, my prints still won't match what I see in PSE7. If I take that file and open it in Canon DPP, the colors are different, but they match what came out of the printer, albeit...darker and not vivid

Thanks..that did the trick. I feel like a big dummy now
I got the explanation of the printer/paper profiles for my printer on the Canon website.
The prints are MUCH closer...the only difference I can tell now is eliminated when I use a good light to view my prints, when held up to a good light or sunlight, the prints are very true to what I see on the screen.
thanks

Colour (Color) Mis match printing from iPhoto/Mac

I have just purchased an Epson R340 and, while it prints perfectly well from the memory card, printing from my Mac results in poor quality prints. The photos are reddy tinged and (from photoshop) out of focus or blurred. This is also the case when I print from Quicktime. I have tried unchecking ColorSync in iPhoto as well as playing around with a few other set ups but nothing gives me the same quality as printing from the memory card. I am running iPhoto 6 and Photoshop CS. Has anyone encountered or managed to fix this problem?

Also note that you don't want color management turned on with both Photoshop AND the printer driver, as the colors will be managed "twice". This will cause that red shift you are seeing.
This is from Photoshop's help:
"If Photoshop is handling the color adjustment or color management options during printing, turn off all printer driver color adjustment options. If not, specify the color management settings to let your printer driver handle the color management during printing. It's important not to color manage in both Photoshop and the printer driver simultaneously during printing. This results in unpredictable color."

Epson prints too dark from LR on color managed MacBook Pro?

Hi all,
I have a newish MacBook Pro, calibrated with Spyder2, and printing to an Epson 2200. The prints are too dark, and don't really come close to matching the screen in LR. I've brought the images into PS2 for soft proofing, but the prints are still far too dark. It's not just out of LR, but DPP as well. I found this topic:
http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx/.3bc44027/28
Tthat seems to describe my problem, but it seems to be Adobe-specific. Doug doesn't say if he's tried printing from other apps. I use Epson's custom profiles, which actually seem to be worse than the standard profiles that come with the driver.
A new twist seems to be that profiled jpg images with sRGB profiles exported from LR also print too dark when I had them sent out for printing, which leads me to think that my screen is not profiled correctly, or there's some weird flaw in the Mac's color management engine that skews everything.
My first question: When I profile my screen using Spyder2, I have the brightness set at maximum. Should I bring it down, and if so, how far? The Spyder2 help says use "Factory Defaults", but the MBP ships with brightness set on auto-adjust based on ambient light levels.
My second question: Are there others who have this issue? Have any of you resolved them successfully, and if so, how?
Thanks!
Timmy

Time for a reality/sanity check for those who complain that "the "prints are too dark from my Epson printer"!
If you will just reduce your monitor's white-point luminance to the range of 80-90 cd/m2 when you edit your images, it's almost certain that the problem will be solved (assuming you're not making some other error in color management setup). Many people conclude that their problem must be a generic failure or defect of Epson printers (i.e., compared to HP, etc)-- or that the Epson paper profiles are defective. Well, perhaps there's some element of truth to that conclusion--to the extent that Epson printers have evidently been designed with typical professional editing environments in mind (i.e., the low brightness levels to which "serious" printers adjust their monitors and ambient lighting). Why would they do that: Well, who wants to spend many hours each day looking at the glare of a 200 cd/m2 monitor screen (and the reflections from a brighly lighted room)?
So, for getting "monitor-matching" prints from printers such as the SP 2200, you simply need to work (edit) with your images in a more-or-less "dimly lit" room using a monitor that is properly adjusted for such a low-light environment--(i.e., the screen luminance not higher than 90-100 cd/m2). Of course even with such a reduced screen luminance, the light used for print-viewing must be sufficiently bright(**)
It's possible that your monitor cannot be adjusted to the necessary (low) luminance level--or that you haven't any means to measure the luminance level. Those are correctable hardware issues, although may require $$.
(**)please note that a fairly bright viewing light is needed for prints (made as suggested above) to appear to be a reasonably close "match" to the monitor image.
Phil

Printing with Epson/PS CS3- missing color sync options

When I try to print images from PS CS3 with my Epson Stylus Photo 2100, my print-box doesn't give me option "Color sync" anymore. I used to be able to choose whether to use Color sync or No Color management. I have downloaded all the latest drivers I have found from epson, but no help.

What OS version, driver version?
CS3 was one strange beast when it came to printing. Seems it had elements of both Apple printing paths and depending on what OS version and driver version you are using you will get different results. I have no trust what so ever printing from CS3.
It does seem on a box running 10.6.3 and CS3 here that the 8.19 driver for the 9600 is working correctly like a application using Apple's new print path when PS Manages Color is selected. In the driver under Color Matching, ColorSync is correctly grayed out and under Print Settings, Color Settings is defaulted (grayed out) to Off (No Color Adjustment. This is the correct behavior.
Now if you're trying to use Printer Manages Color, in the driver under Color Matching, Epson Color Controls is incorrectly grayed out and there is no way to choose ColorSync. If this is what you are talking about you should try PS Manages Color. This happens in CS3 and CS4. In CS5 when choosing Printer Manages Color, in the driver under Color Matching, nothing is grayed out and and you can choose ColorSync. Just maybe Adobe and Epson have finally caught up with Apple's new printing path, but then again this could still be a moving target.

I have HP Deskjet 3510 connected wireless - problem is that it wants to print only black and white - is there a color button I am missing? The print quality report is fine in color etc.

I have a HP Deskjet 3510 and it wants to print only in black and white.
The Print Quality Report is fine and in color.
Is there a color button I am missing?

In the Print & Scan system preferences, does it indicate it is using a generic printer driver or a Gutenprint driver?
Also, if you click on Options & Supplies, you might want to check and see if has to be enabled. That kind of sounds odd though.
Another thing is it might not be showing. If the bottom of the print dialog has a button that says "Show Details," click it. Then, you can change settings in the popup menu.

Officejet Pro 8000 A809 - can I print just black and have empty color cartridge?

I saw in a previous post entitled "PSC 1410 - can I print just black and have empty color cartridge"
that the printer does color underprinting even when printing black and white, to prevent bleeding.
My question is, is this also true when selecting the grayscale printing option in the printer properties dialog box?
I installed the printer using an ethernet connection to a Dell Inspiron 8200 laptop computer running Windows XP Professional

Yes you will still need the color cartridge. The printer uses what is called under printing, it still uses some of the color cartridge's ink in this process, even when printing in just black, the reason is to stop the black from "bleeding"
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My printer is Hp printer 932C it will only print in black and white not color

my printer is Hp printer 932C it will only print in black and white not color I got a new color cartage nothing still only printing in back and whit what can i do

There are a few things to check:
Make sure the blue tape has been removed from the nozzle plate.
Print a diagnostic page as shown in method 4 here. Does this page print color? If so the issue may be your driver settings. Check for a "Print in grayscale" setting and uncheck this box.
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I have set my printer to print in color. All my documents print in color, but I can't print the CD Case Inserts in color.

I have set my printer to print in color. All my documents print in color, but I can't print a CD Case Insert in color. Can you help?

That means it most likely a setting, Check the following. (steps written for windows 7)
Go to the control panel and find " Devices and printers" and doulble click it.
You should see the icon of your printer their, choose the one without fax in the name.
Right click it and choose " printer properties".
On the "general" Tab click on "preferences".
In the new screen on the "layout" tab cick "advanced"
In the new screen make sure "print in grayscale" is turned off and click ok severall times until all screens are gone.
Try printing again. And make sure in the print screen color printing is also checked.
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For P.O.D. Printing: How to Set Adobe RGB Color Space

Hello and thanks in advance,
(I'm using InDesign CS 5.5 on a Mac.)
I need to set the proper PDF export settings
For printing a book on demand, with color drawings inside on the text pages.
The onnly instructions that I have been able to find, say this:
"Submit your graphics in the Adobe RGB color space, withprofile embedded."
The Big Question: How do I do that ?
I know enough to start with
File --> Adobe PDF Presets --> Press Quality
Then I click on the "Output Menu"
and here's where I start to get lost.
for
Color Conversion ...
I think I should select "Convert to Destination"
for
Destination
I think it should be "Adobe RGB (1998)"
Now in order to embed this profile,
What should I select under:
Profile Inclusion Policy ?
And is there anything else I should be doing to get these inside color images printing nicely ?
Thanks again,
IthacaAuthor (aka ZorbaTheGeek, but the forum would not let me log in with my old screen name)

Virtually all digital printing is done via either PostScript or PDF. In the former case, the PDF is converted to PostScript viat use of Acrobat and in the latter case, the PDF is sent directly to the digital printer.
In either case, CMYK is in fact the actual destination color space. There are no real RGB printers!!! What is true is that non-PostScript / non-PDF printers (typically low end laser and inkjet printers as well as specialized inkjet and dye sublimation photo printers) do take in RGB via drivers and convert that to CMYK, but I don't believe that is what you are dealing with.
Our recommendation at Adobe for best printing results, whether for offset or digital printing, is to export PDF as PDF/X-4 with no color conversion using the default CMYK color space (SWOP CMYK) or if instructed otherwise by your print service provider, one of the other CMYK color spaces provided by Adobe or by the print service provider themselves. FWIW, most on-demand digital print devices do have settings to fully emulate SWOP CMYK printing conditions. Using PDF/X-4 in this manner allows the existing color content in your InDesign document to be properly tagged in the output PDF file and converted to CMYK at the digital printing device's RIP.
(It might also assist us if you can provide a pointer to the explicit instructions provided by your print service provider.)
- Dov

CS5 print dlg reverts to 'Photoshop Manages Colors'

Hello! I'm struggling with the Print dialog box in CS5 (12.0.4 x64). I want to apply printer color adjustments to a print job. I choose 'Printer Manages Colors' then open the Print Settings dialog for the printer, make the changes I want then click OK. On returning to the Photoshop Print dialog I see that where I had chosen 'Printer Manages Colors' has reverted to 'Photoshop Manages Colors.' If I open the printer properties dialog again I find the settings set to default rather than to the settings I had just previously selected.
FYI, under Printer Profile in the Photoshop Print dialog the printer's ICM profile is selected.
Any idea what is happening? What more information can I furnish here that would be helpful?
My system configuration is:
MOTHERBOARD ASUS P8P67 Deluxe LGA (P67 B3 Rev)
CPU Intel BX80623I72600K Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost)
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DRIVE2 (Apps, Programs & Updates, Web site) OCZ VTX3-25SAT3-120G Vertex 3 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
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Keyboard Rosewill Cherry MX Switch (Brown) Mechanical Keyboard
Monitor NEC LCD2190 UXi LCD 'twist' tech 1600 x 1200 ppi.
Printer Epson Stylus Photo R280

you have a choice of Color Sync or Epson (on a Mac
in the "Photoshop Manages Colors" work flow, you shouldn't be concerning yourself with ColorSync (or Epson controls)
you do have Adobe (ACE) set as the Conversion Options: Engine (in Ps Edit> Color Settings> More Options> Conversion Options )?
but let me go over the basic framework of this workflow in CS5:
it may be a wise move to delete your printer from Print & Fax and add it back (as well as updating to the latest driver)
1) Open a copy of WhackedRGB PDI test image in Photoshop
USE THE EMBEDDED PROFILE (do not convert)
confirm the "Document Profile" in the lower-left corner of Ps window
2) File> Print will pull up this window (below)
DOCUMENT PROFILE is WhackedRGB.icc
PRINTER PROFILE is your specific printer/paper/ink ICC profile
RENDERING INTENT (try Perceptual)
BLACK POINT COMPENSATION (try checking this)
if you are using CS6 be sure to uncheck 16-bit color
3) click on Printer Settings... and Printer Settings> Basic to pull up the following screenshot
Media Type is the "type" of paper surface (not an ICC profile)
Color Mode: Off (No Color Management) should be grayed (using Photoshop Manages Colors)
AT THIS POINT HITTING SAVE> PRINT is the correct move to start the printing
you don't need to monkey around the other areas under this basic tutorial
if you want to look at Advanced Color Settings to verify driver color management is "off" (for all practical purposes) -- click on Color Settings and confirm:
here is a more complete EPSON CS5 PRINTING TUTORIAL using an older version of the Epson 7880 print driver
here is a more complete EPSON CS6 PRINTING TUTORIAL
i hope this helps...

Can CS4 import printing presets from CS3?

I found the preset folder in the CS3 folder but nothing in there were caller printer presets. I see presets for workspace, swatches, and many other things but not printing. We just upgraded here and I have about 20-30 presets that I REALLY do not want to have to recreate from scratch again!

Yes
You open up CS3
File>Print Presets
Select the Preset and SAVE
Open up CS4
File>Print Presets
Select Load
Find Saved file
Done

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