CS4 Media Encoder - 7Mbps and 5.1 audio too much?

I recently re-encoded an SD DVD with a higher bitrate after initially using the "high quality" preset.  I did the calcs and the 1 hour 15 minute video with 5.1 DD audio worked out to a 7MPBS CBR and fit on one single layer DVD.
The picture quality is of course very crisp.  However, my problem is my player seems to be a bit glitchy on fast forwards.  Even froze for a while.  And there are a few blips or glitches in the video I did not notice in the lower bitrate render and burn.
I know that 8Mbps can be too much for some players to handle.  But could 7Mbps and 5.1 audio be too much? Not sure what Mbps that combination adds up to.  I also put quality on 5.  Not sure of that setting's impact.
Should I try 6Mbps CBR or go back to variable?  I am assuming that the issue is the render settings.  I am using the same media, same timeline, same playback chain, etc.
I am somewhat surprised that the "high quality" preset has a low of 1.5, target of 4 and max of 5 and "quality" of 4.  Or am I pushing it too hard with my settings?  I figured since I had the space and was not trying to cram 2 hours on a SL DVD, why not max out the file size.
Clearly there is a setting or combination of settings that is creating a problem.  Any help most appreciated!
BJBBJB1

I know that 8Mbps can be too much for some players to handle.
That's actually not true.  ALL DVD players will handle a combined video/audio bitrate of around 10 Mbps.  The cause of playback issues is more likely disks that don't read properly in the player.
The solution is threefold:
1. Quality burner (Sony/NEC is a very good brand)
2. Quality disks (Falcon Pro are the best I've used, better even than Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden)
3. Correct format (Some players work better with -R, some prefer +R)

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    Hi,
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    ·  I also own a Vado HD.
    May I know which editor is compatible with it?
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    · 13th Apr 2009 09:36 #7
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    For simple edits, you can use vdub (see above)
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    Cheers
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    · 10th May 2009 23:15 #8
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    Hi, I just bought a Creative Vado HD and I have 3 clips I just want to paste together.
    I downloaded Virtualdub, downloaded x264vfw, downloaded ffdshow (h.264 enabled) and installed all three. I still can't open any of the Vado HD clips into Virtualdub. I get an error message. Is there another step I am missing?
    Thanks in advance!
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    · 10th May 2009 23:21 #9
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    do you have this version installed?
    http://sourceforge.net/projects/x264vfw/
    if that doesn't work for you , enable h.264 in the ffdshow vfw decoder interface (yellow icon, not red icon), because vdub relies on vfw , not directshow    ( ROBODOG2 NOTE ----GRAPHIC BELONGS HERE.....SEE BELOW )
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    · 11th May 2009 12:16 #10
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    @poisondeathray - yes that helped! thank you!!!
    Now that I am able to "edit" my Creative Vado HD videos in Virtualdub, I notice something very strange. Each video clip is approx 30 seconds long. The total combined/merged clips should be approx 2:30 long. However, windows media player (as well as right clicking for properties) says the video is WAY longer than it should be (like 11 min long)!!!
    Anyone else notice this? Is this a virtualdub mistake or human error on my part?
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    Did you do any editing or just append the clips? If you edited portions did you cut on keyframes?
    Did you set "direct stream copy" for video & audio?
    What do other media players (e.g. vlc, kmplayer, smplayer) and mediainfo say about the joined clip ?
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    · 26th Jul 2009 15:54 #12
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    Has anyone found a solution to this issue yet? I can't believe Creative would release a product like this with almost no 3rd-party support. I really wanted to get this camera, but this is a deal-breaker. I managed to get a few raw files from the Vado HD to test. They work fine just for playing in WMP, but I cannot edit the videos in any program I tried. Adobe Premiere CS4 doesn't work. You see the audio but no video. If you try to do basically anything it crashes. Sony Vegas 9 doesn't work either. Same deal, audio with no video. Same issue in VirtualDub. I have ffdshow installed and H.264 is enabled (libavcodec). Do I have any other options here?
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    Download and install K-Lite mega codec pack. The ffdshow configuration will be pretty streamlined so you likely won't have to screw around with it after the install.
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    Thanks Xpenguin17. I installed the K-lite mega pack and now I can import the Vado HD raw avi files into Premiere. So far everything looks good. Thanks a lot.

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