CS4 recovery slider vs shadow/highlight

Is it my imagination or does the adjust highlight slider in Photoshop CS2 (image/adjust/shadow-highlight/adjust highlights) do the same thing, give the same results as the recovery slider in CS4 Camera Raw 5.0? If not, does anyone know what the difference is? I'm trying my best to retain the blown out whites.
Thanks,
Airpix

The big difference between them is that you can use Recovery on raw files to bring back detail out of pure white because you still have information there (not always but you usually do) while a pure white in Photoshop doesn't have any information in it whatsoever.
The other difference (and i'm not 100% sure about this one) is that the Recovery slider works only on the luminance values (it darkens the highlights) while the Shadows/Highlights is an edge detection filter which is why you get halos when you have a huge amount and a low radius
The best solution would be to make as many tonal adjustments as you want/need in Camera Raw and then open it in Photoshop as a Smart Object (shift+click on Open Image to turn it into Open Object) and apply the Shadows/Highlights filter if you need it.

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Fill/Recovery vs Shadow/Highlight

I thought the beta version of LR4 would have the Shadow/Highlight sliders instead of Fill/Recovery. I downloaded it and LR4 beta still shows Fill/Recovery. How do I get Shadow/Highlight?
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Nevermind. I found it. Thanks!
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Fix 'Recovery' slider & add 'Color Correction' slider to Tone Curve

My requests:
1.) Please change the behavior of the 'Recovery' slider so that it attacks very-blown-out-highlights more rigorously than less-blown-out-highlights.
2.) Please add a 'Color Correction' slider to the Tone Curve that is analogous to the 'Color Correction' slider built into the 'Shadows/Highlights' tool in Adobe Photoshop & Apple Aperture.
To more clearly understand what I'm asking for, let me compare Aperture vs. LR's handling of Highlight Recovery, and why I prefer how Aperture recovers my highlights with its Shadows/Highlights tool vs. how LR recovers my highlights with the 'Recovery' slider OR Tone Curve.
1.) Aperture's 'Shadows/Highlights' tool recovers highlights by attacking the brightest parts of the highlights more harshly than the lesser bright parts of the highlights (th extent of luminosities attacked is adjustable using the 'High Tonal Width' slider). LR's "Recovery' tool doesn't seem to, among highlights, preferentially attack the brighter parts of the highlights over the less bright highlights. In fact, sometimes it leaves THE brightest parts of my image nearly untouched! I've posted an image below that shows this.
2.) Aperture's 'Highlights' tool recovers highlights WHILE maintaining color saturation (you can control the extent to which this saturation is maintained using the 'Color Correction' slider under Advanced settings fo the Shadows/Highlights tool). LR's 'Highlights' within the Tone Curve desaturates colors as highlights are 'recovered' by bringing 'Highlights' down. Again, I've posted an image below that shows this.
Here is an image that clearly shows the different behaviors of Aperture's Shadows/Highlights tool vs. LR's Recovery tool vs. LR's 'Highlights' slider within the Tone Curve:
http://web.mac.com/rishisanyal/Lightroom/HighlightRecovery_LRvsAperture.jpg
I believe that LR's 'Recovery' slider has much room for improvement (i.e. attack the blown-out highlights more harshly than the less-blown-out highlights), and the addition, to LR's Tone Curve, of a similar 'Color Correction' slider as Aperture's & PS CS3's very own 'Shadows/Highlights' tools have, would be very welcome.
Thank you for your consideration,
Rishi

More for your eyes to feast on:
http://web.mac.com/rishisanyal/Lightroom/HighlightRecovery_LRvsAperture_2.jpg
http://web.mac.com/rishisanyal/Lightroom/LR_FailsToDecreaseBlownOutHighlights.jpg
Funny thing is, LR just seems unwilling to touch (255,255,255) blown-out highlights. In all my test images with a blown-out sun, LR leaves the sun at (255,255,255) after all combinations of exposure, recovery, and Tone Curve manipulations. Whereas Aperture will bring it down to something like (128,128,128). Which seems more logical, to me, if one is trying to darken the image or darken highlights... right?
Also, if you look at the Seattle & Mt. Rainier image, no matter what I try, LR will not get rid of that brighter 'halo' to the upper left of Mt. Rainier. It just won't! 'Recovery' ends up highlighting just that bubble, and decreasing the Highlights in the Tone Curve just turns it into a grey, desaturated, halo. I'm telling, it just won't get rid of that halo! It has a love affair with it! :)
Aperture immediately gets rid of it with its Highlight slider, and Photoshop's 'Shadows/Highlights' tool also gets rid of it after a bit of manipulations/tweaking.
Now, I try to avoid Aperture at all costs, but, for all these images, seems like I need to use Aperture as my 'external editor' just to fix the highlights!
Any suggestions are very much welcome & appreciated.

Recovery Slider: Color Changes with Camera Profiles, not so much with ACR 4.4 Profile?

I'm sure there's a reason for this, and not necessarily a defect, but I have to ask:
The recovery slider: if I use the Recovery Slider on an image set to the ACR 4.4 camera calibration profile, this helps control my highlights without affecting the overall color/tint of the image. However, if an image is set to the Adobe Standard camera calibration profile (or any of the other camera profiles) and I use the Recovery Slider on that image, the affect on the image seems to be different: the highlights are also controlled, but not without a perceived effect on the color tint of the image. The color balance almost seems to slightly change. Particularly noticeable on skin tones. I'm working with 5D files, using Lightroom 2.3 on a Mac.
What's the reason for this? Anyone experience similar?
Thanks

This is a known "problem". It is caused by "hue twists" that are present in the camera-matching profiles and the new Adobe profiles. Several threads on this in the ACR forum:
http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?128@@.3bc03c04.59b77b09
http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?128@@.3bc03c04.59b783f8

Shadows/highlights is really welcome.

Surely, new LR yet looks great. Including shadows/highlights function which is in Photoshop would do some great job and I can explain why.
First of all it is important to see great difference when we apply this operation before special effects or after.
For example, I save a lot of time using new super features of LR3 like Sharpening and Grain adding. Pictures look just great. And what they need often is applying SHH. But if I do this in Photoshop after conversion it will also bring a lot of dirt and noise. I suppose that applying SHH together with sharpening and grain adding in LR could be done with much higher quality than after in PS.
Yes, nobody dies without it, but for now Grain feature looks really useful considering SHH.
I hope my thoughts are clear (sorry for my English)

Surely did, but it is totally different thing.
Recovery and FillLight are good the way they are.
In SHH it is possible to control radius and tonal width even separately of each other plus midtone contrast.
SHH itself maybe is the most important invention for digital photography during last years. It can bring back details hidden in dark and light areas without loosing contrast in those areas where you need it. For this you set radius. Recovery smooths the contrast which also is really important. It does not allow bright areas easily blow out while you can increase brightness. Together those functions are just the killers.
Recovery/Filllight cannot replace SHH.
I can still use it in Photoshop, but I will have to skip using new Grain feature, because SHH together with details also will bring back a lot of noise.

Shadow/Highlight Flickers when layered

Last post I saw was ArtsForHearts 12/8/09 having the same problem. It seems as though the use of the Fx Shadow/Highlight on two layers above each other with different settings make one of them flicker. If all the values are the same you are good to go. I like to use it to give a better look to talking heads where the lighting was not the best. I track matte an area over a face with a little Shadow/Highlight. Or multiple layers are used to airbrush zits and enhance the lighting look. It has to be a software problem. Anybody use Shadow/Highlight this way and get flicker and wierd shaded boxes?

You are entitled to your opinion, regarding the forums. I happen to disagree completely, but then that is MY opinion, and is not really germane here.
encouraging that maintenance by users, merging threads, marking solutions
Let's take a look at these:
Non-MOD's cannot maintain the forums. The only exception is that several Adobe employees have MOD consoles, and CAN maintain the forums, but they are not officially MOD's.
They do merge and also branch threads, and quite often.
Only the OP can mark a thread as "Answered," or award points. Even MOD's, and Adobe employees cannot do that.
This forum has NONE of those virtues, and Adobe looks lame as a result despite their disclaimers. So criticism is absolutely appropriate, notwithstanding the potentially good intentions of people who may or may not be volunteering their time with zero compensation of any kind.
Fair enough, though still your personal opinion. However, these product forums are not the appropriate place to point up the issues with the forums. There is a special location for that, the Forum Comments forum, which is fairly active, and is frequented by Adobe-Admin (John C.), who basically runs the forums. John C. is not a MOD, but I feel that he has a MOD console. Jochem van Dieten is the MOD. Any complaints that you have with the forums is best posted there, as they will be seen by people, who run the forums.
Note: sometime in Sept., if things hold, there will be new forum software, though I am not sure if the changes will impress you. Only time will tell.
I'm not sure what the caption "Community Professional" means, though, for Mr. Bellune. Professionals get paid as far as I understand the term.
The Community Professional is a badge awarded to fhose, who have taken and passed either one of the ACA tests, or the ACE test, or the ACI exam. Jeff is a video professional, as producer, videographer, and editor, plus an author of still the best book on Adobe Encore. He is not paid by Adobe. He might get an Adobe baseball cap, or sweatshirt, from time to time, but he gets nothing for his volunteer work on all of the PrPro sub-forums, plus the Encore forum. Besides his real-life business, his tutorials, and his MOD duties, he is also a highly valued contributor to all of those forums.
Lastly, I have no idea why you and Jeff keeping linking over to the help file for the Shadow/Highlight effect. There is absolutely no bit of information there that could lead to any resolution of this issue. It's an example of why people can get so inflamed here; the regulars purport to offer answers (a) without thinking about whether it will actually address the problem; (b) defending Adobe as a starting point; and (c) taking the easiest path of citing already-established generalities.
While I cannot speak for Jeff, my intention was to make sure that you had all of the necessary details on the Effect, so that when you file the Feature Request/Bug Report, you are not reporting OE, regarding a setting. As that does not appear to be the case, then I would file that Bug Report, with all pertinant details. As I said, that will very likely land on Todd's desk, and he will then be able to comment directly on what is being done to fix the Bug.
This is a bug, plain and simple. It dates back years. I have submitted repeated bug reports. Many, many other users have too. This is a simple case of Adobe letting the issue slide. Like a billion others. One tiny example: ever wondered what those Auto Black Levels and Auto White Levels buttons do in the Fast Color Corrector? Absolutely nothing. That's been the case for several years now. Great job, Adobe.
Per your suggestion, I did Google this Bug, and other than the posts, to which you replied, plus one other, did not find the many, many others.
"Billions," are your normally prone to hyperbole, or is this a one-off instance?
If all of the people, who you claim have filed Bug Reports, if there is a fix, I find it so very odd, that Adobe has been dropping the ball, and since forever. I have seen Todd, Dennis, Kevin, Jeremy, Wil and others, jump onto Bugs, and usually within an update, or perhaps two, things get ironed out. I'd file that Bug Report for however many times it is now for you, and then watch those PrPro threads, to get Todd's comments on getting things fixed. Be sure to give all possible details, so that Adobe can duplicate the Bug, and then begin working on it. Unlike some frustrated speculation, I know that Adobe takes Bug reports very seriously.
Good luck, and let's hope that Adobe finally comes through for you.
Hunt

"Jumps" in Shadows/Highlight-Corrections

Hallo,
does anyone know, why the following problems occur in the Shadows/Highlights-Correction:
Sometimes - when starting from zero - and pulling the Highlights-slider to the right, there's a kind of "jump" to a brighter image at 1 %, before the shadows starts to lighten up from this brighter level at 2 % or more.
Also with some images, I cannot lower down the Highlights, no matter how much I pull the slider to the right. In other cases - analog to the Highlights-problem mentioned above - there's "jump" to a much darker level at 1 %, from which then a linear change is possible.
This happens only with some images, but I cannot detect any system behind this phenomenon. I would like to know, what's wrong with some images, to make a linear change right from 1 % possible with all images in the future .
Any help is highly welcome
Thanks!

Hallo,
thanks for the reply. I'm not very used to it, but I'll try it for the first with the following example, which shows a large "jump". If I try to correct this image in "Shadows/Higlights" and pull the Shadows-slider from zero to the right, the image jumpes to a much brighter exposure right at the start and then starts to open the shadows from this brighter expopsure and not from the version you can see below (which is displayed at zero).
Please excuse - as you see - this is my first post and I hope you can use this example anyhow.
Thanks very much!

Following the recent upgrade to Photoshop Elements 13 the shadows/highlights sliders no longer operate. How do I resolve this issue?

Having installed the recent upgrade to Photoshop Elements 13 the shadows/highlights sliders no longer work. How do I resolve this problem?

Sometimes when problems pop up for no apparent reason it could be that the preferences files had become corrupted. Here are two ways to reset the preferences.
1. The reset process might be built into your PSE version, as shown in this video:
How to Reset Photoshop Elements Preferences - YouTube
2. If your version does not have the reset option, press and hold Alt-Ctrl-Shift (Option-Command-Shift on Mac) immediately while starting PSE. The timing is critical; you may have to try this several times. A dialog box will pop asking if you want to delete the settings file? Click YES.
Let us know if either of these works for you.

Why can't I see the recovery slider in camera raw of elements?

I have the most recent version of elements, version 11. The camera raw plug-in is up to date, some 7.4 something. On the online help list and tutorials I have seen, there is a recovery slider. Yet, when I tried to practice with raw files in camera raw, the recovery slider was not there. I tried looking around the window, clicking menus, but can't find it. So where is it?

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Dip to White Transition and Shadow / Highlight creates flickering. Workaround?

Here's what my layers look like:
Top
- Adjustment Layer including MANUAL Shadow / Highlight with some static values -
- video clip 1 - dip to white - video clip 2 - dip to white - video clip 3 - etc... -
Bottom
When it renders, there is a discoloration and a flicker on every single transition. This does NOT happen with the dip to black transition.
I believe what's happening is that the Shadow/Highlight is doing its thing on the transition itself. S/H continually tries to bring out detail in the highlights as the frame is being whited out. What there SHOULD be is an option for Shadow/Highlight to only be applied to video clips but ignore any transitions that are applied to the clips.
I do NOT want to drag Shadow/Highlight into each clip separately because the settings for it are way easier to manage in one adjustment layer than in 50+ individual clip settings.
Does anyone have a good, efficient workaround for this?.

the Shadow/Highlight is doing its thing on the transition itself.
Adjustment layers work on everything below, so yes, that's precisely what's happening.
there SHOULD be is an option for Shadow/Highlight to only be applied to video clips but ignore any transitions that are applied to the clips.
There is. Apply the effect to the clip, rather than to an Adjustment Layer. It's the only way, regardless of effect, because like I said, adjustment layers work on everything below. (That's kind of their purpose.)

Massive bug by combining Shadow/Highlight and a cross fade

Hi. I found what appears to be a bug by using a cross fade between two clips with the shadow highlight effect. I cross faded two clips (240fps AVCHD from FS700) each with RGB Curves and Shadow/Highlight and sometimes I get this nasty side effect. The side effect is a random white flashing, or rather an erratic application of the shadow/highlight effect. Maybe it's because it is trying to process the effect on footage which is slowly losing opacity due to the cross fade, and as this happens, the colour data changes as a result. This effect may not happen outright when you try it, I think it applies to specific clips, or clips where the shadow number is higher than the highlights or vice versa. It is now happening again in my new edit and this worries me because I like the effect that it gives, but not the buggy side effect.
Here is the video where I first experienced it. It only appears to happen at 2:18, but now in my next video, it's happening in my opening shot.
Rendering with gtx570 & pprocs6.

The problem occurs when two clips that both have Shadow/Highlight adjusment with different values are crossfaded. You get this light dark bands of flickering in the crossfade. It looks horrible.
SOMETIMES, disabling GPU acceleration works. Not always.
Setting the clipping amounts to 0, as opposed to the default of .01 will help with the clip flickering, but NOT the crossfade flikering. It will not help
Using Opacity keyframes as opposed to the Crossfade Video Transition Effect will not help.
The only sure way to solve the problem is to make INTER clips. Render the two clips seperately with all shadow/highlight effects, then replace the clips on your timeline with the rendered clips and THEN crossfade them.
Also, for those of you that simply notice the "sky" in your scenes flickering when using Shadow/Highlight Adjustment, make sure to set at least the Black Clip from .01 to 0. This will stop that annoying flicker throughout the entire clip.

How do i adjust layers below a Shadows/Highlights smart object layer

Hi
In Photoshop CC I have created a number of layers for smart tonal adjustments.
I then created a Smart object Shadow/Highlight layer base upon a copy of all layers below.
However my layers below can no longer be altered as the Shadow/Highl;ight layer is a copy of them.
Is there away to allow me to stack the layers so that i can still make adjustments to my layers below after have created a Shadow/Highlight layer.
Seems impossible.

You can stack SOs pretty much for ever. Just right click the SO with the Shadow/Highlight adjustment, and turn it into a Smart Object. Then you can add a layer mask to make parts of the underlying layers visible. But you mainly need to manage your workflow to avoid this situation, or use the SO as a new Background Layer, and carry on working from there. That is how I tend to work.
Incidentally, as you have CC, do consider using Camera RAW as a filter, on a SO layer, in preference to Shadow/Highlight. S/H was always portrayed as Photoshop magic, but in actual fact it produces nasty artefacts and makes an image look unreal and plastic. When the Camera RAW engine was updated with the Process Version 2012 (PV2012) with version 7.#, it took a big step forward, and allowed drastic use of the sliders without the nasty artefacts this would have cause with earlier versions. AFAIK S/H was not updated, and IMO should have a little skull and crossbones next to it in the Image > Adjust menu. Or better still, removed altogether.

Excessive use of recovery slider causes banding.

Has anyone else noticed this, the situation is subject back lit (form window with white blinds) with fill flash. Using the exposure slider to increase exposure and the recovery slider near maximum to take back down the blinds causes blocks of solid white to appear in parts of the translucent blind in images exported. This occurs in Tiff both 16 & 8 bit as well as Jpgs. It's also a problem on 2 systems PPC G5 and MBP. It does not show on the viewer or full screen mode when editing but appears in the output files.
Reducing the Recovery to 3/4 seems to make it disappear. It caused me some problems yesterday when outputting some tiffs and required some rework to get things right. JFYI

Top 1/3rd in portrait or last 1/3 L to R in landscape produces a band of more solid white. Obviously a problem and now I'm more cautious seeing as you have the same problem. Granted by judicious amounts of slider applied it causes no problem but there is no indication of where or when this will appear, on screen gives no indication, it only seems to appear in printing or output.

Shadows/Highlights effect

When editing HD videos in Premiere Elements 12, the effect known as Shadows/Highlights is automatically applied to a clip when I insert it into the timeline. This effect causes the clip to appear grainy, so I have to delete it for each clip. Is there a setting that I can choose so this effect is not applied automatically?

WRABVideo
I have something for you to try.
Go to Edit Menu/Preferences/General and make sure that there is a check mark next to "Show all do not show again messages".
Close out of there.
Drag one of your images from Project Assets (one that has been having the automatic Shadow/Highlight applied to it and has been causing Shadow/Highlight Panel to appear in the Applied Effects Palette without you doing anything.
The result should be the pop up of the Smart Fix dialog with the message about "Fix quality problems in clips? Yes or No. What you do here is important.
First...put a check mark next to "Do Not Show Again" and click No.
When you drag one of your darker image clips to the Timeline, you should not get Shadow/Highlight effect applied to your clip unless you actually do it yourself.
I have road tested this, and it seems to explain your situation.
I believe that you were triggering Smart Fix (whose messages were under the do not show directive and was last left with a Yes to fix quality problems.) And Smart Fix was using Shadow/Highlight as part of its fixes for your photo.
Let us see if this explanation and suggested fix works for you. I think the SG gave you the right direction at the onset but I do not see where it was explored.
Thanks.
ATR

Camera Raw & the Recovery Slider

Hi Folks ....
1st time on the forum. I have recently upgraded to PSCC and I note when I go into Camera Raw that the "Recovery Slider " has disappeared. This however only happens on certain images that` have taken since the upgrade; on images that were shot before the upgrade i still get the Recovery Slider. I am using Camera Raw 8.7.1.
Anyone has similar problems and any ideas how to resolve it.
Thanks
George

PSE 11 has a new 2012 raw engine but you can switch between the old and the new. In the camera raw dialog click on the camera icon. Then change Process to 2010. Then go back to the basic tab.

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