CS5 Save as Jpeg gives colour shift - OK as PSD/Tiff

Hi Guys,
This is a follow on from the "lightroom /CS5 colour shift post" which I have now narrowed down to the following:
I use Win XP pro sp3 fully updated, Dell PC 4GB Ram, LR and CS5 both latest versions. Print through Qimage to epson 7880 - Workflow/ monitor all fully colour profiled. Workspace adobe 1998
Colour setting:
These settings have not changed in years.
My issue is that if I open a jpeg image in CS5 (colour is correct), save as psd or tiff (the colour is correct)
BUT if I save as jpeg (having done nothing to the file!) the colour on the saved file has shifted
I am not getting any profile mismatch warnings - this problem has only surfaced in the last few weeks.
Any ideas would be much appreciated
Thanks, Nigel

Hi again, Sorry had a busy weekend so I had
to disappear! Ok Firstly I cannot understand why a monitor profile could
be the culprit (just to rehash I develop a jpe
g in LR (colour is good, Print is good) Op
en in Cs5 colour looks same. If I save as PSD or Tiff Colour stays the same and prints same - Happy days!
But If I save as a jpeg (with or without a file number change the colour looks ok in CS. BUT when I close it & open it again in CS the colour has shifted. Also this shift is clearly visible in LR and QImage and in the print! It seems to me that the save as jpeg is the problem.
But just in case I reprofiled the monitor this morning (Eye1 display2) but problem is the same.
It has been suggested to me that the best thing to do is to reload CS5 might cure this. Any thoughts?
Also if i do that (I am on upgrades since v5 missing only CS4) Is there a way to skip loading all the versions?
Thanks Nigel

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