CS5 transform camera raw smart object with mask funniness?

When I try and trasform a camera raw smart object that has a layer mask, the trasform box is not the size of the image, but is about a quarter of the image and it moves up to the upper left quarter of the image. If I first rasterize the smart object then add a mask it transforms just fine. Or if I rasterize the camera raw smart object, then make it a smart object and add a layer mask it transforms normally. So it appears to be an issue with transforming a camera raw smart object with a layer mask that is the issue. Is this a bug?
Thanks,
Steve

I can't post the image publicly because of NDA, but I will pm you a link to the file. I don't always have this issue in cs5. I even tried opening up the same file in a new document and then made a mask and it transformed just fine. But it also is not limited to just this file, I have had this happen with other images as well.
Thanks,
Steve

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Is there a way to process /batch process the 500 images and have them saved so later when I open them, they open as smart objects. I only fine tune the client "Picks" as they don't order all the 500 images shot. Now if I want to alter the color balance, exposure, etc., I can double click the smart object, go back into camera raw and make any adjustments/ refinements, click OK and it updates the file. This mantain's a higher integrity of the file.
In CR I know I can check the box "open as a smart object", but that only seems to apply if I immediately open the file (or files) and then save them. It is not practical or feasible to select 500 files, open and save them at one time. If I save the Raw file(s) to open later, (as in my above workflow) then it will not open as a smart object.
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Why can't I use the Image Processor in Bridge / CR to process my 500 CR files as Smart Objects?
When in CR I can set the options to process as a SO, but that only will process the open file(s) in CR as SO. Not practical to process 500 files.
I checked on the Adobe Exchange but did not find any scripts or actions that would facilitate this.
Does anyone know if what I'm trying to do is possible and how?
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In an effort to keep this question / answer current, (this question is on listed on two forums) here is an answer from Jeff Schewe from the Photoshop > Mac forum.
31. Jul 29, 2010 3:58 PM in response to: Jeff_N
Re: Camera Raw / smart object ?
Jeff_N wrote:
Jeff S
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Stumbled on your post while searching on a similar issue. I'm not sure if I precisely understand yuour problem, but here's my experience when dealing with TIFFs and JPEGs embedded as Smart Objects in CS3...
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If those boxes aren't checked, when you try to edit the contents of a Smart Object layer containing a TIFF or JPEG with Camera Raw settings in its header, instead of opening the embedded file for editing, Photoshop seems to simply revert to displaying the layer without the settings applied. I'm unsure whether this is a bug or intended behavior, but it seems to be one of the symptoms you describe.
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Message was edited by: JJMack
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Message was edited by: JJMack
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Message was edited by: JJMack
Over in the Adobe Feedback site several issues were posted with CS6 Transform one was marked "Not a problem" by Adobe. One was marked "Solved" by Adobe and the others have no Adobe markings the may on not be a problem
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