CS6 Beta questions: skin tones, camera calibration in Camera RAW

While this is supposed to be a fully functional version, I am missing the Patch and Move content aware tools, the Skin Tones function does not work, there is no camera calibration except for Adobe Standard available under Camera RAW 7.0 and none of the links uder "Help" work. When I try to look for updates I am assured that I have the latest version. Does this sound right to you? Am I just not looking in the right places for these features or are they indeed not available in Beta, in which case it is of course impossible to try them out.

Thanks very much, Pattie. I was not holding down the Healing brush. That all works fine now. However, what about camera profiles for camera calibration in Camera Raw 7.0 and why don't the skin tones work? I am using a reasonably new HP laptop with plenty of horsepower and Windows 7. Here is my system info. Can you help further?
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What is "Camera Calibration" for?

What is "Camera Calibration" in Camera Raw? Is it for making adjustments to digital cameras to render more accurate color in Camera Raw? Or just for fine-tune RAW images?

because we live in a real world where there are no two things exactly the same and this also includes cameras of course. The profiles are a good starting point but if you find that they don't quite work and get constant blue tinting for instance then you can set those sliders to correct the problem inside the camera. The process usually involves photographing a color chart and then trying to match the colors on screen with the actual numbers

Color artifacts with A7s and A6000 files using Camera calibration profiles

I'm seeing some really obvious chroma artifacts / false colors with RAW files from either a Sony A7s or A6000 when using any of the Adobe-provided Camera calibration profiles that emulate Sony's rendering.
This seems to happen at any ISO, and is very frequent.
If I use the Adobe Standard calibration profile then things look normal, but that's might just be because it produces rather desaturated images compared to the "sony" profiles.
Prior to those Sony cameras I was using Nikon DSLRs for which I had somewhat similar issues when using the first version of the Nikon camera profiles.
Those issues got fixed when Adobe released the "v4" camera profiles.
Below are some examples without any adjustment, the only difference is the choice of camera calibration profile:
Camera Landscape:
Adobe Standard:
Camera Standard:
Adobe Standard:
Camera Landscape:
Adobe Standard:

The legacy ACR X.x profiles are no more produced nor included for newer cameras (AFAIK, since ACR 5.1/LR 2.1). The Adobe Standard is the new default starting point for these.
While I am at it....are the Canon camera profiles I downloaded for the 1Ds MKII the same as for the 5D MKII or do I have to download different one...I suspect they are the same or Lightroom wouldn't offer them to me...is that correct?
The profiles are different for each camera model, even if they share the same name in the Calibration panel. If you can see them when developing 5DII files, it means the camera-specific profiles are installed for your particular camera model (otherwise, you wouldn't see them).

Where should I save the camera calibration profile for Lightroom 2?

I created some DNG Camera Profiles by DNG Profile Editor. For Camera Calibration in Camera Raw, I save those .dcp files in C:\ Administrator\ Documents and Settings\ Application Data\ Adobe\ Camera Raw \ CameraProfiles. However, I could't find such a subfolder in Lightroom folder, does any one know where should I save the dcp files for Lightroom 2? Thank you

It's the same install folder for both Camera Raw and Lightroom (i.e., a .dcp installed in the folder you described will be readable by both CR and LR).
Eric

How to install Camera Raw 6.7 for Photoshop CS6 Beta?

I tried; it installed for CS5 only (exactly what I didn't want it to do). I don't see where the app/plugins are stored on the computer, so I haven't tried to manually fix it.
I'd like to have my old version of ACR back for CS5, and to be able to use the new one in CS6 beta.
Thank you!

Hello!
You cannot install 6.7 in CS6. It is specific for CS5.
If you are interested by the additional camera support, I suggest that you convert a copy of the files with the DNG converter 6.7 until Camera Raw will be updated.
If your camera manufacturer supported DNG as a native raw format, you would not have this issue. (And I can't imagine what the ACR/Lightroom and other teams would come with with the time they would win thanks to that.)

Upgraded Adobe LR 4.1, CS6 Beta & got the Canon 5D Mark III, WHEN is next dot release Camera Raw?

I Purchased the Upgraded Adobe LR 4.1, CS6 Beta & got the Canon 5D Mark III, Mac Pro server update to Lion, WHEN is next dot release Camera Raw? My workflow has trippled in time because of this issue. I'm so frustrated with having to convert images in a slowed up piece of crap canon software package and then wait another decade for the newest LR to load the images I could crap fire! Come on Adobe, where's the release? After a few grand you'd think we'd get a better response time. As for Canon, they are not consistant with community software sharing and can kiss my *!! because to leave Adobe hanging sux!
There should be new laws that penalize jerks that screw with workflow!
Time is money, let's go Adobe!

"so there are no Adobe staff here to see your rant."
Oh, they're here and they see it...
BTW this might help?

When editing my dng files I'm missing soften skin, camera calibration choices. How to get them back?

I've seen the many options for camera calibration. I only get 'Adobe Standard'. Also missing the drop down choice that come with 'soften skin'. Thanks for your help.

D70 should have multiple camera profiles available if you're looking at a raw file. Jpegs will just have embedded.
I don't have any A330 files to check those I'm afraid, but Adobe have only built multiple profiles for the most popular DSLR's (mainly Canon/Nikon) so that could explain it.

Camera Calibration default setting question

HI I'm using a Canon 5D w/ LR3.3. I want to set the Camera Calibration (in the Develop module) to Adobe Standard and have it set that way all the time. I have looked in Preferences and cant find a way to do this?
Thanks
Mike

Mike,
Diver Mike wrote:
One other question: When I look at the Process drop-down, (right above Profile), it now says '2003'. Before when it said, '2010 Current'. Is that just because Adobe Standard came out in 2003?
The process version has nothing to do with the camera profile selected, Adobe Standard exists for all LR supported cameras, and has so before PV2010.
The process version influences the way the Raw processing pipeline works (pre LR3 vs. LR3). Quote from the manual:
Lightroom 3 uses improved processes
to calculate Detail and Fill Light adjustments. Photos that are
edited for the first time in Lightroom 3 use these new processes.
Photos that were adjusted using a previous version of Lightroom
do not.
To take advantage of the newer processing technology,
however, you can update photos to the current process version.
The process version specifies which version of the Camera Raw sharpening
and noise reduction functions are used to adjust and render photos.
The new process version is Process 2010. The old process version
is Process 2003.
I guess you might have been looking at a newly imported image when you saw 2010, and are looking at an image imported before LR3 when you see 2003.
And should I be using Adobe Standard in the first place? Is it just a personel thing?
It is a personal preference for a starting point to work on your images. I use Adobe Standard for my 5DMkII as well, whereas I use a different one for my 1DsMkII, because I don't like the Adobe Standard there.
Beat

Camera Raw 5.5 will not install? And Camera calibration button question.

I just built a new computer with 7 PRO and installed all my software. So when it comes time to instal 5.5 raw it goes about half way through and tells me to shut off Bridge. As far as I know the bridge window and program are off and not running. I even unpined it off the taskbar.
In CS4 when opening a Raw file and I go to my camera calibration botton there are only two options that come up, Arc 3.3 and 4.4. Where are all the other options at? Do they come with the 5.5 update? Thanks Keig

Keiger wrote:
As far as I know the bridge window and program are off and not running. I even unpined it off the taskbar.
Odds are you've got Bridge set to auto-launch at startup...make sure it's not running when you try to install the update.,.and yes, the update should install the addition DNG Profile options.

Installed lightroom 5. Downloaded and installed update 5.7. Camera Calibration Question.

Working with both Canon (6D) and Fuji (X-T1) RAW images. Can not locate any camera calibration info for either camera's raw files. Nothing listed in the camera raw folder for any camera.
Everything I have read seems to tell me that there would / should be some information for one or both of my cameras.

It really isn't clear what you are asking. If you are looking for the profiles for your cameras you would go to the calibration tab in the develop module and click to choose from different profiles. Profiles will only be available for raw files, including DNG files.

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