CS6 Pantones show up as labs

I just installed CS6 and am setting up ASE files for our team on our color palette. I have 3 palettes of the same colors: CMYK, Pantone spot, and RGB versions. When I load the spot ASE file, most of the colors show as lab colors rather than PMS spots, while others show as PMS. Am I doing something wrong?
The square icons on the right of the palette show that some are Lab colors. When I open the Options, sometimes it shows PMS, sometimes LAB. When I hover over the color without opening the options, it shows the lab breakdown. I never use Lab colors, so I have no idea how these show up as labs. Help!

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I've read through this whole forum and I have found a solution to everyones problem. It is a work around but will save everyone alot of time and hassle and so far it hasn't let me down.
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