CUA sync with child client issue for indirect role assignment.
Hello Security experts,
we have a indirect role assignment set up in our ECC environment. there is a syncronization issue from the parent CUA to the chlild client. The role assignments have been made to role although they are not always reaching target system without having to sync up either the role or the IDu2019s position # manually. This has been an ongoing issue CUA has on any role or user from time to time. any hint on fixing this issue. please help..
Whole idea of CUA is to manage your roles and users centrally, on the contrary you can manage the roles/profiles by setting up the attributes for the CUA thorugh Central user Management console - SCUM Transaction.
CUA has its own pros -
Central rep,Users Sync,Role Provisioning statergy - Global composites(consists of individual child roles) Distibuted model -Provisioing at individual child systems for roles, etc.Central user store,easy maintenance.
on the contrary - change documents is always a concern ( because cua uses - interface Ids or the RFC ids to push the idocs from cua to child system), CUA maintenance while system refresh - Copied distribution models have to be deleted and re-created, system backups has to be defined per you distribution model, password maintenance if defined global then Child systems act as inactive nodes, reading the roles into cua which are created in childs so as to establish a pointer to that system.
It also depends on the number of systems you have in your landscape so that you can calculate the overhead and then have a Go -no-Go decison on CUA.
Overall, I consider CUA as a good approach provided we streamline the process of provisioning, de-provisioning per the cua standards.
Rakesh
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Can we use the indirect rôle assignement with thousands of users ? I mean is there any way to make a mass users assignation using this method ?
Thanks!Hello,
The switch for ORGPD is activated.
Our organization's position and job categorization is be very generic, according to the functional requirements of HR department on OM. This department is new on SAP so they are unaware of the basis team's requirement/need for an "semi-automatic" role assignment. Moreover, the functional desing on OM is done beyond this need, and it's not considered to redo the design again.
We would like to use the task object type to link the roles, any other "unused" HR ORG object, or if possible, a custom HR ORG object with custom relations with standard OM objects. This last choice would be the best from the point of view of the basis team, because this way we would not interfere in a future use of HR ORG standard objects.
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ThanksHello Anthea,
to pass on a role from a position to a SAP user id I would suggest the following.
Go to transaction SA38 and run report RHPROFL0.
Some notes on the report and report selections.
The report can be used to eveluate and assign roles from HR objects to SAP users. The report starts reading at a given HR object along an evaluation path. It then updates the SAP user found with authorisation roles.
Selections:
You have assigned the roles to a position therefore you should select object type S.
Then put the position number in the Object ID.
The key date is hopefully self explaining.
The evaluation path might have defaulted to PROFL0. That would be the correct one.
The program has a test mode. I suggest you run the test mode first. It will tell you what the program would change in an actual run.
In the next selection box - "Generate authorization profiles"
You might leave the ticks in the boxes:
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Leave the tick boxes blank if you have any direct assigned roles.
If you tick the boxes all roles and profiles directly assigned to SAP user ids will be deleted.
In section "New Users"
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You might leave that box unticked for the moment.
I suggest to create the application log --> Last tick box on the selection screen.
Some general comments at the end.
The report RHPROFL0 might be scheduled in production systems if indirect role assignments are used. Depending on your needs make sure that the deletion of manual assigned profiles is activated or deactivated.
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The Position is valid/active as of the report key date.
The position has a holder at key date.
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The Roles on the position are valid at the key date.
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I am trying to do a Indirect Role Assignment in My SAP SRM.
In my ECC system we have done it through PFCGgotoOrg Mgmt---assign positions and then reconcilitaion
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we have 2 SAP systems:
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2) SAP HR with PA and OM
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Since HR-OM is not on the same ECC6 system, we would like to try the logic: HR-OM -> CUA -> ECC6
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AndreaWhole idea of CUA is to manage your roles and users centrally, on the contrary you can manage the roles/profiles by setting up the attributes for the CUA thorugh Central user Management console - SCUM Transaction.
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