Dark prints with PSE 10

My prints look fine on my screen but print too dark. I've spent time lowering the brightness on my iMac monitor, calibrating the monitor, tried every combination of Photoshop managing the print, the printer (Epson1900) managing printing, Adobe 1998, sRGB, Relative Rendering, Perceptual, ad nauseum.
The only improvement has occurred when I switched having PSE manage color management to having the R1900 manage it, which is the opposite from all the conventional wisdom I've read on the web. I use Epson paper and Epson print cartridges and the appropriate paper handling/profiles.
The only acceptable workaround I've used is increase the brightness in PSE editor and then print letting the R1900 manage things. The prints are acceptable even though they are too bright on the display. Very frustrating.

Thansk Colin for the feedback. Most of the advice on the web indicates to use Adobe as the color space. I've also used the paper specific color profile for the Epson R1900, no change.
This is from Adobe Tech support, January 2010 re: PSE 8. I copied and pasted this from Elements Village website. The workaround was to let the printer manage color.
Thank you for contacting Adobe Technical Support.
After consulting with my colleagues about the issue you raised, I can let you know the following:
The issue is both on our as well as the driver software side and the workaround we have given is the best available at this time. This issue is affecting all printers, not just Epson or Canon.
The soft proofing effect that you are seeing in the print preview is indeed an attempt at soft proofing. However since Photoshop Elements managed prints are incorrectly double colour managed it is not as useful as it was initially designed.
As to the exact details o f why this occurred, we have no official information.
We believe that this will resolve the issues you are experiencing, however, should the reply not help solve the problem, please contact us again, quoting the case number given above, and we will re-open the case.
Answer # 2
Subject: Re: Adobe TS #180107025 / Mario / PSE6 oversaturated Print (KMM3793441I51L0KM)
Dear Mr. Laugesen,
We have had word back from our engineers regarding your issue.
The Photoshop Elements team are aware of the problem and are working with Apple and the printer manufacturers to get this to work correctly. In the meantime, the only workaround is to switch off colour management in Photoshop Elements and let the printer handle the colour management.
Unfortunately we can not make an estimation as to when a fix will be provided. We will close the case for the time being as there really is nothing more we can do about this issue besides offering the suggested workaround. Closing this case does not mean that the research will stop however and the engineers are working on a solution to this.

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