Darwine on ppc

hi...
I lately found out about a software named "Darwine" or "WineBottle" (I think the latter is how it is called now) that apparently allows windows apps to run in Macs.
Apparently it works only with Intel based Macs. Since I have an iBook G4 with Mac OS X (10.4.11) with a PPC processor, that should settle it. However, there is this, I quote:"Qemu-darwin-user allows Mac OS X/Intel Applications to run on Mac OS X/PowerPC. It's Rosetta inversed and thus is also refered as Attesor"(source: http://wiki.winehq.org/MacOSX)....So I was thinking I could download the "WineBottle" app, use "Qemu-darwin-user" (from what I've read it needs some sort of "building" to do) to make it work on my PPC and through this process run the .exe file.
It seems like a long shot and since it requires use of the Terminal, which I am by no means familiar with, I want to ask if I should bother with it and of course if it is even going to work as I imagine it might do?
I want to apologize if I am not making any sense and thank you beforehand for any help.

Dave Dahle wrote:
Dah! You're right. Oops.
I do seem to remember there was one other option - VirtualPC and which runs on PPC Macs only?
No longer sold.
And wasn't very good anyway from what I've heard.
Well, was a Microsoft product in the end, so what to expect...

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    Good advice?
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    8. Once your Mac is awake, repair permissions again, and you should be good to go!
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    Additional tips on software installation here:
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    I have a Dual 2Gig PPC G5 with 4.5 gigs RAM that was running (and still is) running 10.4.11 fine. Attempting to upgrade to Leopard from a proper retail Leopard install.
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    Any thoughts and help much appreciated
    cheers
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    but...I didnt attempt this before as I dont think it works...
    from that doc you linked to:
    "Tip: FireWire Target Disk Mode works on internal ATA drives only. Target Disk Mode only connects to the master ATA drive on the Ultra ATA bus. It will not connect to Slave ATA, ATAPI or SCSI drives."
    So, as far as I understand it, if I booted up my macbook pro, say, with the Leopard install disk in it in Target Disk Mode - the g5 would only see the Macbook Pro's internal ATA as opposed to both that and the DVD or am I missing something? Sorry, not at that machine at the moment so I can't try it!
    Tony

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