DCN Case Study 3: ONS 15454 Linear Topology with DCN Connections at Both Ends Using OSPF

Hi, I need advise regarding design of Network Connectivity - DCN Case Study 3: ONS 15454 Linear Topology with DCN Connections at Both Ends Using OSPF.
Am I need area 100 and 200 on Router 1 and Router 2 or I can don't do that?
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    Case study: "Large?" labview programs flooded
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    Type of application:
    Computer with loads of individual hardware connected or other software (either
    onsite (different buses) or offsite (Satelite/GSM/GPRS/radio etc.).
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    description: little data "RPM" but communications to all devices are intact.
    More "RPM" when many VITs are involved.
    Size: 1000+
    VITS in memory (goal). Total software has been tested and simulated with 400.
    I'm posting
    this post after reading this thread (and actually I cant sleep and am bored as
    hell).
    Note: I do
    not use LVOOP (but sure post OOP examples, am starting to learn more and more
    by the day.)
    Things I
    will discuss are:
    Case 1: Memory usage using a plugin
    architecture
    CASE 2: memory usage using VITs (!)
    CASE 3: updating datastructures:
    CASE 4: shutdown of the whole system
    CASE 5: stability & heath monitoring
    CASE 6: Inifiles
    CASE 7: When the hardware is getting crappy
    Total
    application overview:
    We have a
    main application. This main application is mainly empty as hell, and only holds
    a plugin functionality (to register and administer plugins) and holds an
    architecture that holds the following items:
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    machine for main application error handling
    Queue state
    machine for status messages
    Queue state
    machine for updating virtual variables
    Event state
    machine for GUI
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    stuff
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    global functionality is:
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    Different
    nice tools like the good old BootP and other juicy stuff
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    of virtual variables (so that the user can configure easy mathematical
    functions and combining existing tags)
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    CASE 3: updating datastructures:
     As we do NOT use clusters here (that would
    just be consuming) we only use an 1D array of data that needs to be updated in
    different functional globals. If the the number of VITS exceeds so that the
    updating of this datastructures becomes the bottleneck, this would cause
    delays. And since in this example we use 250 serial interfaces (lol) we do not
    want to disrupt that by any delays. When this happends, does anyone know a good
    solution to transfer data?
    A thought:
    perhaps sending it down to the plugin and let the plugin handle it, this should
    save some time, but then again if more VITs are added again this would become a
    bottleneck and the queue would fill up after a while unable to process it fast
    enough. Any opinions?
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    Lets say we
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    procedure towards the hardware, that can be heavy.
    If we ask
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    that can only cause dataloss and trouble. The solution here was to let the
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    while. Be ready with a cup of coffee.
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    this as the plugin knows when all have been shut down, and can then shut itself
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  • Does ONS 15454 SDH supports TACACS+ ?

    Hi,
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    Does anyone have implemented authendication on ONS15454 SDH with TACACS+ and do let me know how to implement it ? If not, does we have any Cisco document to clarify why it is not supported ?
    Thanga

    Thanga,
    AAA is not supported but RADIUS is.  Use DLP-A456 (Configure the Node for TADIUS Authentication) to set up the ONS 15454 to use Radius.  It is in the Procedure Guide for the ONS 15454.
    If you have any problems please call 800-553-2447 to open a TAC case.
    Here is the link:
    http://www.cisco.com/en/US/partner/docs/optical/15000r9_1/15454/sonet/procedure/guide/454a91_dlp4.html#wpxref25074
    Thanks
    Mike Dooley - Customer Support Engineer
    Cisco Heartland TAC

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    Before believing ECI & Huwaei discuss that solution with some people, as I know one thing there can be lot of strings later on.
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  • ONS 15454 LOS-O minor alarm problem

    Hello everybody, wish you a nice day!
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    2) Each separate location is a plant (even if it only stores goods). May be an overkill, but helps when legal requirements change or the location is upgraded.
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    Have one for each location of purchase. If there is a team sitting in each plant procuring for only that plant, have it as a separate purchasing org (not strictly necessary, but makes authorization simple). For central purchasing, a central purchasing org should do nicely...
    Hope this helps,
    Lakshman

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