De-Noise setting with custom RAW fine-tuning ?

If I look at the De-Noise setting when using the Apple default you will notice that it varies with the ISO of the image (Njikon D4). As the ISO increases so does the De-Noise setting. This is often a good thing. If I save my own RAW fine-tuning setting with out touching the De-Noise setting and make it the Default, the De-Noise setting is no longer 'active' and just sits at zero for all ISO settings.
How do we create a custom preset that will automatically increase De-Noise when the images have a higher ISO?
JO

leonieDF wrote:
How do they differ after the last update? Ithink my Canon EOS 5D Mark II images now need less boost than before.
I have speculated elsewhere that software and camera manufacturers are pushing hotter and more "Disney-fied" defaults than they have in the past (and that these have always been "unreal"). My experience with a Sony a77 is that the newest RAW upgrade reverses (or calms) this trend.
The Sony a77 default setting under Apple RAW Compatibility Update 3 was too saturated and too contrasted (locally and globally). I pulled back Boost to 0.7 and Hue Boost to 0.6, and left the rest the unchanged. Under RAW Compatibility Update 4.0, I don't have to make as big a change, and settled on Boost=0.93 and HueBoost=0.70. I also tweaked the other settings -- the biggest change there was putting moire to zero.
That said -- I am having significant repeatable color problems with my NEC wide-gamut PA271W monitor, so I am going to have to revisit these settings after I resolve that. I made the new settings based on the Retina display and an NEC 2490WUXi2. They produce images that look great. I have not printed any yet, but getting matching prints has not been a problem in the past.
Do you change any settings other than Boost and Hue Boost?

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pilotguy74 wrote:
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